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Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by nyarlathotep_ »

Probably primarily a business and cost-cutting measure (certain there's loads of DEI-related staff; NOT DEI hires, roles that exist to foster DEI policies).

I've a prediction somewhat related to this.

We'll see, in the coming year(s), a large portion of positions at the FAANG(s) being moved overseas as cost-cutting measures. Paired with the impression that LLMs reduce the need for programmers, we (domestically) will see a substantial reduction in the number of developer (and related roles) in the States.

From what I've heard/seen wrt roles at these companies there's a substantial imbalance in locations for hiring (huge increases in India, Mexico, Brazil, and others) and less and less in the States.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by sheepdestroyer »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #45
like_any_other wrote: post #13

Well, they've already achieved diversity, haven't they? Whites were already under-represented at Google (and at 18/23 tech companies) back in 2017 [1]. If they've rolled over for anyone, it was for the Asian lobby, who is over-represented at 23/23 of those tech companies, and now won't be facing DEI pressures to reduce their numbers. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250127210140/https://informati...

> Well, they've already achieved diversity, haven't they? Whites were already under-represented at Google (and at 18/23 tech companies) back in 2017 For most diversity purposes, Asians and Indians both count as white, if not "even more white". Government programs, other than schools, are the main exception.

Where I'm from, racial statistics and profiling are forbidden since they're antithetic with republican universalism ; but even taking the US culture into account, this point of view seems extremely bigoted.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by like_any_other »

almostdeadguy wrote: post #104
like_any_other wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're claiming the data is specious, but you have offered zero evidence to that end, only very shaky speculation. You say some of the links 404 - of the ones that do not, were their numbers significantly different from the table in the article?

Here you want to look at data? Let's look at Amazon's EEO-1: https://assets.aboutamazon.com/64/79/d3746ef14fd99cc6be94532... Amazon in your table lists 21% black employees. Maybe a lot has changed since 2017, but it sure seems like that might be misrepresenting the picture when 79% of those black employees are listed as laborers in the EEO-1 from 2023. But who can say! Akin to this, the 2023 EEO-1 says 47% of profess…

The table you link shows that execs/senior level managers are 63% White (over-represented 1.09x compared to US population) and 24% Asian (over-represented 4.08x). Mid-level officials and managers are 50% White (under-represented 0.87x) and 19% Asian (over-represented 3.29x).

My claims that the main beneficiaries are Asians, and that Whites are generally under-represented, are accurate.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by almostdeadguy »

like_any_other wrote: post #113
almostdeadguy wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you want to look at data? Let's look at Amazon's EEO-1: https://assets.aboutamazon.com/64/79/d3746ef14fd99cc6be94532... Amazon in your table lists 21% black employees. Maybe a lot has changed since 2017, but it sure seems like that might be misrepresenting the picture when 79% of those black employees are listed as laborers in the EEO-1 from 2023. But who can say! Akin to this, the 2023 EEO-1 says 47% of profess…

The table you link shows that execs/senior level managers are 63% White (over-represented 1.09x compared to US population) and 24% Asian (over-represented 4.08x). Mid-level officials and managers are 50% White (under-represented 0.87x) and 19% Asian (over-represented 3.29x). My claims that the main beneficiaries are Asians, and that Whites are generally under-represented, are accurate.

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Post by [deleted] »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #83
skywhopper wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fair way is to do so at all levels of the pipeline because it turns out people can overcome their past if given the support and resources to do so. But it’s far easier and cheaper to invest early on. All that said, real structural racism and sexism and other prejudices continues to exist, and so the pipeline will always be a problem. But a company like Google, which makes obscene profits every quarter, should be…

Didn't they find out in Sweden that, given the opportunity, women were not as interested in STEM as they were in other fields?

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Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by morkalork »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #82
goalieca wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since education is a state level responsibility, why not handle it there? We don’t have a federal education ministry in Canada for instance.

The goal was to ensure that there was a more balanced result of education across the country. California can afford to spend way more per child than Kentucky can, so without some sort of federal level balancing, California's children are just going to be more likely to prosper than Kentucky's. This doubly applies to funds for disabled or underdeveloped children who needs extra support from the school system to be suc…

Canada handles this balancing problem with equalization payments between provinces. Which is well, sorta socialist, so it causes a great deal of consternation amongst certain people.

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Post by devnullbrain »

teractiveodular wrote: post #103
paxys wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say is true, but these corporate diversity efforts are mostly used for PR and aren't actually making a difference to any race or community. The simple truth is that tech companies are going to hire any qualified engineer they can find, regardless of whether they are in a minority group or not and whether there is a DEI department at the company or not. So the question that should be asked is – why are black…

You're assuming there is no genetic component whatsoever to human skills and interests, and the only reason women are not studying computer science/car repair/welding is sexism.

That's a non-sequitur, there can be non-genetic and non-sexism cultural reasons that influence study tendencies, or a blend of all three.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by nxm »

xnx wrote: post #26

Would be great to be more resources put in at the very start of the pipeline (e.g. early childhood education). It's very hard to "solve" "diversity" at the time of hiring when candidates have already had decades of disadvantage.

I couldn't agree more - I'm not sure why there is no focus on addressing gaps sooner.
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