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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by arresin »

justanotheratom wrote: post #72
mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

They actually have two "studios" Google AI Studio and Google Cloud Vertex AI Studio And both have their own documentation, different ways of "tuning" the model. Talk about shipping the org chart.

> Talk about shipping the org chart.

Good expression. I’ve been thinking about a way to say exactly this.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by crowcroft »

Worth noting that with 2.0 they're now offering free search tool use for 1,500 queries per day.

Their search costs 7x Perplexity Sonar's but imagine a lot of people will start with Google given they can get a pretty decent amount of search for free now.

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Post by whynotminot »

seanhunter wrote: post #30
mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

I don't know why you're finding it confusing. There's Duff, Duff Lite and now there's also all-new Duff Dry.

I tend to prefer Duff Original Dry and Lite, but that’s just me

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Post by vel0city »

singhrac wrote: post #60
miyuru wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

changes must be rolling out now, I can see 3 Gemini 2.0 models in the dropdown, with blue "new" badges. screenshot: https://beeimg.com/images/g25051981724.png

This works on my personal Google account, but not on my workspace one. So I guess there's no access to 2.0 Pro then? I'm ok trying out Flash for now and see if it fixes the mistakes I ran into yesterday. Edit: it does not. It continues to miss the fact that I'm (incorrectly) passing in a scaled query tensor to scaled_dot_product_attention. o3-mini-high gets this right.

As someone with over a decade of Google Apps management history, my experiences is Workspace customers are practically always the last to get the shiny new features. Quite frustrating.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by vldmrs »

singhrac wrote: post #31

What is the model I get at gemini.google.com (i.e. through my Workspace subscription)? It says "Gemini Advanced" but there are no other details. No model selection option. I find the lack of clarity very frustrating. If I want to try Google's "best" model, should I be purchasing something? AI Studio seems focused around building an LLM wrapper app, but I just want something to answer my questions. Edit: what I've lea…

This is funny how bad UI is on some of websites which are considered the best. Today I tried to find prices for Mistral models but I couldn’t. Their prices page leads to 404…

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Post by nudpiedo »

gerad wrote: post #104
nudpiedo wrote: post #95

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Today I wasted 1 hour looking in how to use or where to find "Deep Research”. I could not. I have the business workplace standard, which contains the Gemini advance, not sure whether I need a VPN, pay a separate AI product, or even pay a higher workplace tier or what the heck is going on at all. There are so many confusing products interrelated and lack of focus everywhere that I really do not know anymore whether it…

You need to pay for Gemini to access it. In my experience, it's not worth it. So much potential in the experience, but the AI isn't good enough. I'm curious about the OpenAI alternative, but am not willing to pay $200/month.

if it would make whole market research on products and companies I would gladly pay for it... but a bit unsure from Europe where it seems to be everything restricted due political boundaries.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by tremarley »

leetharris wrote: post #39

These names are unbelievably bad. Flash, Flash-Lite? How do these AI companies keep doing this? Sonnet 3.5 v2 o3-mini-high Gemini Flash-Lite It's like a competition to see who can make the goofiest naming conventions. Regarding model quality, we experiment with Google models constantly at Rev and they are consistently the worst of all the major players. They always benchmark well and consistently fail in real tasks.…

Thankfully the names aren’t as bad as how Sony names their products like earphones

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

jug wrote: post #81
raverbashing wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly naming conventions in the AI world have been appalling regardless of the company

Google is the least confusing to me. Old school version number and Pro is better than Flash which is fast and for "simple" stuff (which can be effortless intermediate level coding at this point). OpenAI is crazy. There may be a day when we might have o5 that is reasoning and 5o that is not, and where they belong to different generations too, snd where "o" meant "Omni" despite o1-o3 not being audiovisual anymore like…

> And no one knows why there never was a 3.5 Opus.

If you read between the lines it's been pretty clear. The top labs are keeping the top models in house and use them to train the next generation (either SotA or faster/cheaper etc).

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Post by duxup »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #109
duxup wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Online the idea of "no politics" is often used as a way to try to stifle / silence discussion too. It's disturbingly fitting to the Gemini example. I was a part of a nice small forum online. Most posts were everyday life posts / personal. The person who ran it seemed well meaning. Then a "no politics" rule appeared. It was fine for a while. I understood what they meant and even I only want so much outrage in my small…

To be honest, the limiting factor is often competent moderation.

Yup.

I sometimes wish magically there could be a social network of:

1. Real people / real validated names and faces.

2. Paid for by the users...

3. Competent professional moderation.

Don't get me wrong I like my slices of anonymity, and free services, but my positive impressions of such products is waning fast. Over time I want more real...

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