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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by SeanAnderson »

stikit wrote: post #90
conception wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for China they have an environmental plan far and away better than the US’s “what do the rich want to do?”.

Can you give details of China’s environment plan?. All I hear about are the dozens of coal plants China builds each year. Are they no longer building those plants?

Renewable energies account for 29% of China's energy production and 21% of US's.

In 2010, this was 19% and 10% respectively.

So, they have a bit of a head start, but are transitioning to renewables just as quickly as the US. Their much larger population does make the overall impact they're having on the environment larger, though, and yes they are still building new coal plants to keep up with rapidly increasing energy needs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_of_the_Unit...

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bb88 wrote: post #40

So if you're worried about packages coming from AliExpress, you probably shouldn't be. The last several packages I ordered were shipped USPS with an origin of the US. Los Angeles was the origin of the last one I received with AliExpress Choice(tm). It may affect ebay purchases of electronic parts from Shenzhen though. Particulary if the vendors use the Chinese post office. I also ordered a Keychron keyboard last week…

Didn’t a lot of Chinese drop shippers concentrate product in the US in anticipation of tariffs? If so, we might hit supply shortages as the stockpile winds down.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by throweep »

nyjah wrote: post #47
999900000999 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheaper and better. This country is so painfully stupid. Now I have to pay 2x as much for inferior products, if not the same exact stuff imported by an American company. This alone is probably going to cost me about 1000$ to 2000$ per year. We literally don't make much most of this stuff in the US. For example I just ordered a guitar bag, 15$ direct from China. The same exact bag, made in the same exact factory is go…

The other issue is American quality has gone down the tank. 10-15 years ago I’d look for American quality over Chinese, but nowadays I prefer the Chinese manufacturer almost 100% of the time. Not always the case but anecdotally chinas quality has gotten better while American stuff has gotten worse.

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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by graeme »

reaperman wrote: post #66
graeme wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is customs isn't prepared to inspect that volume of packages and would need to up their infrastructure to handle it.

The USA doesn't inspect every package -- almost all current tariffs are on the honor system. They could start by checking every 1 in 10,000 packages and then build up the system until they're spot-checking x in 100. Customs doesn't even know what half the shit is. If I order a quarter-pound of palladium for $4,000 from China, but pay tariffs on 4 ounces of lead (say, $5), do you really think customs can tell the diff…

They got rid of the de minimis exemption. Now every package needs to pay duty.

They may not inspect the package but they still have to collect duty on it.

I live in Canada where our de minimis exemption is like $20. Generally when a package comes to in it is help at the border where a broker certifies it for customs. Below $20 there's no broker.

Now you need brokers etc for every single package. Def more paperwork even if they keep the same inspection ratio.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

reaperman wrote: post #75
bb88 wrote: post #40

So if you're worried about packages coming from AliExpress, you probably shouldn't be. The last several packages I ordered were shipped USPS with an origin of the US. Los Angeles was the origin of the last one I received with AliExpress Choice(tm). It may affect ebay purchases of electronic parts from Shenzhen though. Particulary if the vendors use the Chinese post office. I also ordered a Keychron keyboard last week…

I'm worried more about the prototypes my R&D department is designing in partnership with Chinese contractors and fabrication facilities. We manufacture the final products here in the USA, but a LOT of components we air-mail from China. A huge percentage of the nation's R&D efforts (for DOMESTIC MANUFACTURING) is going to be completely and utterly fucked if they can't rush-deliver niche items from China. This is a dis…

I doubt you were using USPS before for those, so your company shouldn’t be affected unless this affects private shipping companies as well.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hpone91 wrote: post #9
dahdum wrote: post #5

Wouldn’t this be due to the Lunar New Year, a massive holiday that shuts down wide swaths of the country? UPS has a bunch of Asia delays right now too. https://www.ups.com/cn/en/service-alerts.page

It says until further notice. So unlikely to be Lunar New Year since it just ended today.

CNY goes for two weeks and just started last Tuesday night. The golden week holiday however just ended. Most people take extra time off so things are usually slow until the whole holiday is over.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by defrost »

stikit wrote: post #90
conception wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for China they have an environmental plan far and away better than the US’s “what do the rich want to do?”.

Can you give details of China’s environment plan?. All I hear about are the dozens of coal plants China builds each year. Are they no longer building those plants?

It's all true ..

they have a large population, largest in the world, India second (or not, I don't recall) and with a growing middle class (it alone now larger than the entire population of the US) with western consumption patterns and expectations they have insane power demands and projections.

So, more renewables than anywhere else, more nuclear than anywhere else, and more coal than anywhere else.

That said, they build new coal plants that are state of the art and "less bad" than the many older coal plants they are ripping apart. They also use coal power to supply energy to transition off of coal and create solar farms, etc.

"It's complicated"

See:

https://www.iea.org/countries/china (and drill down)

https://www.iea.org/reports/world-energy-investment-2024/chi...

https://www.iea.org/reports/meeting-power-system-flexibility...

compare and contrast with other countries (according to the IEA) and then look at other non IEA big picture summaries.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by anigbrowl »

9283409232 wrote: post #35
reaperman wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why stop the packages though? Just make the shipper declare a value and let the receiver pay the tariff if they want their package.

Trump and Elon apparently don't know how to do anything without first blowing it up.

It's divide and conquer tactics. They are not interested in continuity or a smoothly functioning economy. They want chaos and panic because they can exploit it.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by 999900000999 »

reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

The obvious solution to this is to BUILD IT ALL IN AMERICA.

And while waiting 15 years for that to become possible, just move that US based R&D to countries not ran by idiots.

I blame myself for not immigrating earlier. I had a chance to move overseas for a least a year and I didn't.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by dtquad »

reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

>I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages from China

As a software engineer who works closely with electrical and firmware engineers I know what you are saying is completely true.

The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves how these Chinese firms are so cheap? How can JLCCNC take ~$120 worth of raw material, CNC machine it into our specified part, anodize the part, and send it to Denmark for ~$120? Like what is going on?

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