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Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by tempestn »

14 wrote: post #75
tempestn wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once in bridge mode it's no longer acting as a router, so it should mostly be fine. The firewall on your actual router will be present between the modem/internet and your machines.

Great thank you for the information. I've held off on getting a half decent router as there is so much to know. I've always wanted to get one I can put my own firmware and the benefits they have but just not sure the best route. I also have lots of people in the house so want something that can handle many connections at once like 10 devices says. The isp router only has 4 Ethernet ports which a couple more would be…

One thing worth noting is that you don't need the ethernet ports to be on the router itself. You can always add a switch for more ports. 2.5G switches are pretty cheap now, and if connected to a 10G port on your router should provide plenty of bandwidth. (Could even get a 10G switch, but that'd likely be overkill.)

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by genewitch »

m463 wrote: post #99
OkGoDoIt wrote: post #21

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

if you want static ip addresses, you need comcast business and must use their router. blast.

starlink has the opposite for ipv6, if you want to assign your own ipv6 addresses, you have to bypass the starlink wifi-router. ipv4 is still cgnat, but having a real-life routable IP (v6) address is nice.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by biglost »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #21

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

Manwhile i live in a rural area 10kms away of a little town in the south of Chile with FTTH with 1gbit symetrical with Static ip address really unlimited (no CAP of anytype) with one deco for my tv for 24 usd a month with an installation that cost me 30 usd. Should i add i hace to use rainwater because no potable wáter Is available?

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by nine_k »

hackernudes wrote: post #102
joecool1029 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell them it's a home office and get comcast business. There's no data caps on any of the tiers and they allow use of any modem on their approved list.

My current residential price is $65/mo for 500mbps/20mbps. Business is $120/mo for 500mbps/200mbps ($105 for first 24 months). I wouldn't mind getting a bit more sweet sweet upload. Maybe I will! There is also "gigabit pro"/"gigabit x10" where they run fiber to your house. That is $350/month for symmetric 10gbps. Lots of limitations on availability and a big install fee, though. Gotta get the other half on board with…

I always wonder what are some ways to put 10 Gbps (well, even 1 Gbps) to good use in a home setting, beside marginally lower ping times. I'm not saying such uses don't exist, I'm just curious to know.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Terretta wrote: post #71
porknubbins wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All over the US I have always been able to use my own cable modem and router. OPs situation is unusual, I am guessing its some bundle they have for a discount but if they were paying standard (ie ripoff) rates they could use their own equipment.

This thread made me realize dslreports.com has "closed". Used to be you could find out there what works and what doesn't down to the chipset variations. My experience was same as yours, as long as I matched provider capabilities, it worked.

> This thread made me realize dslreports.com has "closed".

Yeah. I saw it mentioned in a response to Karl Bode (TD). Sorry to see it gone.

I joined in DSLR in 04 and dumped more hours there than anywhere else, ever. It wasn't the same after the database crash in the mid 10s. When they shuttered the new-music thread, I finally moved on.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

denkmoon wrote: post #25

Some of the comments here about ISP behaviour are crazy. Australia has had our fair share of fucking up the national internet infrastructure but at least I can pick pretty much any ISP and use any router I like. Haven't used an ISP supplied router in something like 15 years.

> Some of the comments here about ISP behaviour are crazy.

It depends on the ISP. Over 25 years of IT support I've had to fight with about 30% of them to bring in my own device.

Most notable screwery was with Verizon DSL. They'd lease a new public IP every time we tried an incoming connection. As fast as I could record the new IP in the remote config and reconnect - my IP would change. I was able to push it past six changes/min.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Havoc wrote: post #98
tills13 wrote: post #19

I run my own homelab and have a Ubiquiti gateway (UDM). I would have loved to have the fibre connection come directly into my box uninterrupted but the ISP's modem is required to associate the connection with my account (or something to that effect). Deeply disappointing.

That’s pretty normal for fiber. They usually want their own device at the end of it

> That’s pretty normal for fiber. They usually want their own device at the end of it.

US? Not Verizon/Frontier or the shared fiber networks. I'll need their ONT, if that's what you mean but it's always my router.

AT&T is another matter. I avoid them whenever possible.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

bc569a80a344f9c wrote: post #29

Conversely, by using their router and modem you move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easier. I care about that more than control. And I know damn well they ain’t got time to spy on me. Just because appeals to authority are fun, I spent decades as a network engineer and then architect.

> move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easier. I care about that more than control.

> I spent decades as a network engineer and then architect.

As an engineer, you've no interest in hosting your own services?

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by hakfoo »

What's the ISP's motivations towards preventing BYOD?

If they're desperate for the $10 per month box rental, I'm sure they could just levy a $10 per month BYOD "support fee" to make equal, but it sounds like in some places they're charging way more as a penalty.

I know some of them were very aggressive about using home routers to provide coverage for roaming Wi-Fi, but that doesn't seem as big a push as it was. I suspect this corresponds with a lot of them getting into the MVNO business lately.

Do they result in a disproportionate volume of support inquiries, or maybe ones that they can't just dispatch by trying to send a remote-reboot signal down the line? I could see addressing that by moving towards a fee-for-service-call model if you need to call the "custom configurations" hotline.

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