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Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

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Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

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Working link: https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/details.html#?des=2024%20Y... 8.1 megatons of kinetic energy. According to the Torino rating, only risk of “localized destruction” (less than “regional devastation”): https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/torino_scale.html

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Yeah it is bad and a lot of damage if it hits somewhere populous but my understanding is we've tested nukes that powerful

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#112

The impact to society would be much greater on a sociological scale then on a physical scale, many nukes are more than 8Mt, the likelihood of it hitting a highly populated area is lower still.

I don't think I understand your comment. The yield of nukes is of no consequence if they're not being used, so I don't think the comparison stands?

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#113

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*megatons of TNT. 1 MT of TNT = 4.14*10^15 joules

So you wouldn't want to be under it, but a good-sized hill would be enough cover?

Yes, deep underground shelter planned for nuclear attack will be enough to survive, as damaging mechanisms, are mostly same - short but very powerful infrared flash and deadly shockwave (better to consider it as very fast pressure grow and then pressure drop).

Just staying behind hill, will be not enough cover from shockwave, so people will suffer from fast pressure changes.

But shockwave quickly weakened as square of distance, and hill will make it's path longer. So, something like 100m hill could be considered as moving border of deadly zone 100m closer to epicenter.

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#114
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, the context is "we face the same risk all the time, from asteroids we don't see." I'm not convinced that's reassuring. The Sagan paper concerns much larger asteroids, which are correspondingly more rare. For asteroids in the 8MT impact range, it doesn't make much military sense to launch deep space missions to divert them years in advance, rather than delivering nukes directly with ICBMs in minutes. Giv…

- "The Sagan paper concerns much larger asteroids, which are correspondingly more rare." That's a fair distinction—the paper predates the modern telescope surveys that are discovering all the small ones. - "rather than delivering nukes directly with ICBMs in minutes" You'd still need multiple years for those nukes to have a useful effect. (The change in velocity is instant; the change in position is not). They wouldn…

>we'd need a new type of deep-space delivery vehicle, far larger than a suborbital ICBM.

Like...starship?

> That'd probably trigger a new type of nuclear arms race.

Why on earth would there be an arms race on something designed to deliver nuclear payloads to deep space? The only way I could see that happening is if we had nuclear armed deep space colonies? (See, the expanse)

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#115

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> Why crisis? People should simply not look up. I don't understand why this apt pun on that movie is being downvoted. Would anyone of the downvoters of parent care to explain?

Puns are for Reddit, not HN.

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Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#116
I have an article looking at similar probabilities here: https://blog.sentinel-team.org/p/how-likely-are-various-prec...>; for asteroids we gave 0.02% per decade of killing >= 1M people.

One thing to consider is that for a 55m asteroid like this one to do a lot of harm, it not only has to hit the earth, it has to hit it somewhere very populated. (only about 0.3% of the earth is very urban https://nunosempere.com/blog/2024/10/16/urban-share/)

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

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post #112

The impact to society would be much greater on a sociological scale then on a physical scale, many nukes are more than 8Mt, the likelihood of it hitting a highly populated area is lower still.

I don't think I understand your comment. The yield of nukes is of no consequence if they're not being used, so I don't think the comparison stands?

My point is, we have used nukes, so we know exactly what the worst case scenario is, and that’s about 20-50 million lives(hitting Tokyo or NYC). Equal to the number of deaths during the Spanish flu or half of world war 2. I think the comparison helps us understand what the risk truly is. I think the world would panic and likely loose more lives through chaos than the actual impact.

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#118
post #76

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Sorry, what I mean is: why would I use my rocket and nuke to divert an asteroid years in advance, when I can drop an 8MT nuke on you directly in 30 minutes with much more accurate targeting? One possible reason is plausible deniability, but that goes away if we have a good asteroid defense system with an emphasis on early detection.

Ah, I understand now. For one thing, you could weaponize asteroids as a second-strike response, if there's an imbalance where one superpower has asteroid deflection and one does not. Even if it's delayed by months, the certainty that the asteroid will eventually hit establishes a deterrent against attacking the asteroid-controlling country. If there's defenses against ballistic missiles, this circumvents those. For a…

Eh, we already have steath aircraft that could slip in past air defenses and drop a nuke with next to no warning. We probably have a stealthy hypersonic that can also do so. That doesn't negate a nations second strike ability.

Part of the reason the US, Russia and China have vast land based missile fields is to visibly show the enemy that they're gonna have to wipe out huge swaths of land with hundreds of nukes (and THEN sink our boomers) to have a successful first strike.

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#119

With the size of the asteroid, is this one where we could use the gravity tractor[1] or the Yarovsky Effect[2] techniques for deflection, or is there not enough lead time? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_tractor 2. http://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2021plde.confE.119A/abstrac...

To change orbit of so large asteroid, need huge amount of energy.

Unfortunately, humanity now have only small power ready, for such far things just about 50kW, it will need decades to transfer so large energy.

Russians claimed to create nuclear reactor for space with somewhere near 200kW, but unfortunately, now these are just words, very far from real hardware.

Re: Asteroid Impact on Earth 2032 with Probability 1% and 8Mt Energy

#120
post #67

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So you're calling it a "crisis" that people will be better informed of the risk they've always faced? Seems to me we should use that media coverage to build political support for a real asteroid defense system.

This. It’s a crucial step for our civilisation to be able to protect earth from any incoming dangers be it asteroids or Umuamua type objects. There must be a global effort with all countries to build such a system.

Good luck with that... currently we are failing to muster a global effort for tackling climate change, which is a much more pressing issue than an asteroid which may or may not hit us. I know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Look_Up is satirical, but reality often outdoes satire, so I wouldn't be surprised if things would play out exactly like in that movie...
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