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Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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This is insane. So much disgust washed over me when I read about the finger. I can’t believe people are so evil. I don’t have any crypto but I’m worried about those who have it at scale.

My advice for people who own crypto is the same as my advice for people who own guns: You shouldn't own it, but if you do, shut the fuck up about it. Guns and crypto both have unique properties: criminals want them, and they want there to not be a connection between their identity and the item they plan to do crime with. The obvious solution, for a criminal, is to steal someone else's guns or crypto, not for the valu…

Same with cash.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#112
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This shows another of the many ways in which a having a trusted third party involved in your finances is actually a good thing.

Or you could see it as an argument for the second amendment. Would someone have attempted this against an executive based in Texas? I don’t think so.

I’m a big 2A supporter but would still want the would-be kidnapper to be deterred by other means. I can be incapacitated or caught unaware, JP Morgan and Charles Schwab cannot.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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This sounds a lot like a sales pitch by Ledger, is the next service you are going to sell me involving me sending my seed, online, to Ledger so it can be sent to 3 third parties... because that is what made so many people laugh at them last year. They can add as many layers of cryptographic schemes on this, it so antithetical to what you should do with a seed you want to secure that it ruined their reputation for a l…

Do you HAVE TO send your seed for backup? Do they use dark patterns to force you to upload your seed? Do you realize some people value (probably wrongly in this case) convenience over absolute security? There’s nothing wrong with offering additional options.

>value (probably wrongly in this case) convenience over absolute security?

I'm guessing there has been far more crypto lost through people forgetting/losing their keys than by having been hacked. Though personally I prefer to lose it speculating on the futures markets. People are idiots a lot of the time.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#114

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I believe Ledger already leaked customers' addresses. https://www.bitdefender.com/en-au/blog/hotforsecurity/hacker... Probably the most dangerous and costly data leak ever. Can't believe Ledger was able to stay in business after that.

I don't live at the house where I ordered my wallet anymore. So that's a relief.

Have you warned the people who DO live there?

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#115
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shows another of the many ways in which a having a trusted third party involved in your finances is actually a good thing.

Or you could see it as an argument for the second amendment. Would someone have attempted this against an executive based in Texas? I don’t think so.

In headlines "FBI Busts Plot to Kidnap Miami Jeweler and Steal $2 Million in Crypto"

That seemed to rely more on good policing than the second amendment.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#117
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I think I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. Maybe I underestimate how good the police are at prevention of this crime.

Or you overestimate how many competent psychos are out there scheming to do anything to make money. Doing a kidnapping and getting a ransom is probably not too hard, but being on the run forever afterwards might not be worth it to most. People with money can hire their own bounty hunters/or plain criminals to go after them afterwards. Or just announce a bounty high enough (in dark channels, your high profile security…

Really for anyone competent with crypto and unethical there are so many legal or semi ways to get money. Pump and dumps, rug pulls, launch your own meme coin etc.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you overestimate how many competent psychos are out there scheming to do anything to make money. Doing a kidnapping and getting a ransom is probably not too hard, but being on the run forever afterwards might not be worth it to most. People with money can hire their own bounty hunters/or plain criminals to go after them afterwards. Or just announce a bounty high enough (in dark channels, your high profile security…

Really for anyone competent with crypto and unethical there are so many legal or semi ways to get money. Pump and dumps, rug pulls, launch your own meme coin etc.

It is so weird. Hey you can be a legal criminal, why risk real prison for doing old school crimes?

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#119

Crypto will not be ready for mainstream until effective game-theoretic countermeasures for this kind of thing are built into the protocols.

At some point "the rubber meets the road", i.e., you have to bridge the digital world and the physical one. Increase the probability that thugs are caught and increase the severity of the consequences.

In the real world the ultimate countermeasure is bullets. All the rest is to avoid reaching this last resort.

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