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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by pydry »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

Trump and Netanyahu famously had beef: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59571713

Trump's a die hard Israel supporter but I think personally he feels disgust for Netanyahu, for reasons that arent too clear.

(As we all should - Netanyahu is a deeply racist genocidal maniac who cynically used this conflict to try and save his own political career)

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by vFunct »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by propagandist »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

Trump wanted the war to end, and I'm sure Netanyahu was doing his Netanyahu thing.

Posting that video was Trump's way of telling Netanyahu that he will burn him by turning him into public enemy #1 with his base. That's how he got him to agree.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by mminer237 »

bpodgursky wrote: post #13
lesuorac wrote: post #8

> Negotiations on implementing the second phase of the deal will begin by the 16th day of phase one, and this stage was expected to include the release of all remaining hostages, a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. Am I missing something or did they really only agree to _just_ a ceasefire?

Everyone is tired of this shit. Bibi will be on meathooks if he unilaterally backs out. Hamas will have no friends at all if they renege.

Hamas did not lose any friends the last few times they reneged. I think both sides agree this peace will just last until Hamas can rearm, but I just think both sides agree that's as good a deal as either is getting.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by daveguy »

pydry wrote: post #111
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

Trump and Netanyahu famously had beef: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59571713 Trump's a die hard Israel supporter but I think personally he feels disgust for Netanyahu, for reasons that arent too clear. (As we all should - Netanyahu is a deeply racist genocidal maniac who cynically used this conflict to try and save his own political career)

> Netanyahu is a deeply racist genocidal maniac who cynically used this conflict to try and save his own political career.

What makes you think this causes Trump to think lesser of Netanyahu? Seems like the kind of person Trump fawns over as being "tough".

Oh, and like a sibling pointed out -- Trump wasn't mad at Netanyahu for being a racist, opportunistic genocidal maniac. He was mad that Netanyahu was the first to congratulate Biden on his election victory in 2020.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by propagandist »

throwaway7783 wrote: post #20
null_deref wrote: post #6

Yes, eventually. I have tears in my eyes. Enduring more than a year with a preposterous populist government and endless deaths, this nightmare is finally over.

100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by wk_end »

pydry wrote: post #93
halflife wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entirety of Hamas leadership is gone, Hamas will most likely not going to have control in Gaza (still being debated which mechanism will govern, this is part of the deal), the crossing to Egypt will be handled by foreign countries which will prevent weapon smuggling. And in the broader spectrum, hizballah is not more, Assad is no more, all of Iran’s proxies can no longer support Hamas’ ambitions which basically m…

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The “briefcases full of cash” began flowing into Gaza in the mid-2010s, IIRC. Hamas had been in power in Gaza for around a decade at that point.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by maxerickson »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

One not particularly obscure theory is that Netanyahu was prioritizing Trump coming to power over a peace/hostage deal and now that Trump has power, Netanyahu seeks to benefit from prioritizing the hostages. Trump is claiming credit for it and probably doesn't care about the timing.
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