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Re: Nobody cares

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Post by Over2Chars »

000ooo000 wrote: post #84
Over2Chars wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A well known CEO noted that in a failing organization he was trying to devise a turn around plan for that everyone in the organization invariably blamed... the other teams! Not a one said "our team is responsible for our failure". The engineers blamed product, the product people blamed sales, etc. He said he provided this suggestion, "You are of course right (it's the other groups fault, and it might have been so), b…

Classic CEO. "How can you, the powerless IC, fix an organisational problem? No, I mean without me having to do anything meaningful or risky"

Not at all.

The CEO in question publicly declared his own job would be forfeit within a year if he didn't meet goals that were in the recent past history of the company, absolutely impossible.

He met and exceeded those goals.

The IC isn't powerless with good management.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by ternnoburn »

Karl Marx talked about alienation -- we are alienated from our work, we are alienated from one another, and eventually alienated from our humanity.

I disagree with Marx about a lot of things, but I do think that this theory makes a lot of sense. As we become increasingly mechanistic in our work, we feel less agency. Less control. Less attachment to the work. We stop caring about the product.

You can pay people to care, for agile, but ultimately the alienation wins. The solution? I'm not sure! Probably several possible things, not least of which is probably work that's focused on building one's community and helping meet their needs.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by EGreg »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #50
EGreg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's on topic as it shows exactly what OP was talking about ( Instead they get negative feedback ) is not confined to workplaces, but is prevalent right here, too. "No one cares" is almost correct. Some people will care, but most will downvote you and criticize you. Oh by the way ... I tried doing a "Show HN" with it. It just got buried after getting 1 like. If you post something that people take a while to e…

you did a Show HN and it sounds like it didn’t work out. that sucks to hear pal. it might be worth taking some time to reflect on what your part in that was and what you might do differently next time.

My part was posting the link

Sometimes the same link can go viral and other times it doesnt

But the real issue is when people follow the link and get enagaged and dont come back to HN to upvote it fast enough before it scrolls off the page

Re: Nobody cares

#114

Post by EGreg »

jondwillis wrote: post #31
EGreg wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You’ve been making commits for four months?

Check the github for a repo named PlatformHistory. I pruned it 4 months ago and broke up the whole monorepo into subrepos

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by ks2048 »

liontwist wrote: post #86
DharmaPolice wrote: post #77

As someone who works for a local government bureaucracy - not caring is a coping mechanism because if you let every sub-optimal thing bother you then you'd just burn out. Very few jobs are structured in a way that those directly involved can determine how things are done so there is no real value in caring about how long a process takes. Where people have some agency you might be surprised how much people do care eve…

Why doesn’t Japan have this problem?

I thought Japan had a reputation for pointless bureaucracy (faxing useless paperwork around to get something approved, etc).

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by unknownsky »

liontwist wrote: post #86
DharmaPolice wrote: post #77

As someone who works for a local government bureaucracy - not caring is a coping mechanism because if you let every sub-optimal thing bother you then you'd just burn out. Very few jobs are structured in a way that those directly involved can determine how things are done so there is no real value in caring about how long a process takes. Where people have some agency you might be surprised how much people do care eve…

Why doesn’t Japan have this problem?

I hear that in Japanese schools, the kids do most of the cleaning, like sweeping, cleaning the boards, taking out trash, and cleaning windows. Janitors mostly do building maintenance or major jobs.

That must instill the sense that environments that are shared collectively are everyone's responsibility. When janitors clean up after us, it instills the sense that we can do what we want and it's the problem of some lowly person to deal with it.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by imgabe »

Over2Chars wrote: post #111
000ooo000 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Classic CEO. "How can you, the powerless IC, fix an organisational problem? No, I mean without me having to do anything meaningful or risky"

Not at all. The CEO in question publicly declared his own job would be forfeit within a year if he didn't meet goals that were in the recent past history of the company, absolutely impossible. He met and exceeded those goals. The IC isn't powerless with good management.

What company was it, who was the CEO, and what's one specific thing one of the departments did?

Or are you just copy/pasting LinkedIn drivel?

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by unknownsky »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #55
Shank wrote: post #45

> In Japan, you get the impression that everyone takes their job and role in society seriously. The median Japanese 7-11 clerk takes their job more seriously than the median US city bureaucrat. My favorite example of this is how, if you visit 7-11 in Japan and an employee isn’t busy, or is busy but with an unimportant task, they will jump to open a cash register and check people out the second a queue forms. They wil…

I used to rank the McDonald's in Toppongi hills Tokyo as having the best employees anywhere after I saw one run from one side of the little shop to the other when the French fry buzzer went off. However, it got beat out by the McDonald's in Arkadelphia Arkansas, where the employee fast walked as quickly as hen could to take the order to the car waiting in the Drive-Thru, and then also fast walked back. Running of cou…

Are you Swedish? Just wondering because I've never seen the gender neutral pronoun "hen" in English.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #55
Shank wrote: post #45

> In Japan, you get the impression that everyone takes their job and role in society seriously. The median Japanese 7-11 clerk takes their job more seriously than the median US city bureaucrat. My favorite example of this is how, if you visit 7-11 in Japan and an employee isn’t busy, or is busy but with an unimportant task, they will jump to open a cash register and check people out the second a queue forms. They wil…

I used to rank the McDonald's in Toppongi hills Tokyo as having the best employees anywhere after I saw one run from one side of the little shop to the other when the French fry buzzer went off. However, it got beat out by the McDonald's in Arkadelphia Arkansas, where the employee fast walked as quickly as hen could to take the order to the car waiting in the Drive-Thru, and then also fast walked back. Running of cou…

Til https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_(pronoun)
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