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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by IshKebab »

Xeronate wrote: post #47
digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

I read the main problem with hiring chip factory workers in Arizona was the factory just didnt pay enough for the long hours demanded. I looked up the median salary and its only 50k so I'm assuming it's not crazy skilled labor (e.g. brain drain). Taiwanese workers just seem more willing to do it.

I spoke to a Taiwanese person and apparently the salaries there are actually quite good, even by western standards (normal ones; not SF). The downside is they have very very long hours (996, barely any holiday, etc.).

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Post by KoftaBob »

coconut08 wrote: post #57
ttul wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that there may be a 25% chance that China invades Taiwan by 2030, having the ability to package SOTA chips in the US by 2027 seems "soon enough".

where did you get that number from

You know where

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Post by kibwen »

bee_rider wrote: post #94
kobalsky wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the internet ad industry is raking billions from all over the world into the USA, how can you call that unproductive.

It doesn’t produce any things.

Even worse, because advertising is a Red Queen's Race where the only limit on expense is what your competitors are spending, it's actually worse than unproductive because it increases company expenses without increasing product quality, leading to higher costs on everything for everyone.

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Post by DennisP »

whimsicalism wrote: post #96
d3ckard wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t disagree with the core premise, but why much more than Ukraine?

Taiwan is a long-standing well-functioning democracy and a core ally. On the other side, I also view Russia's grievances as somewhat more legitimate than China's.

Addressing those "grievances" hasn't worked out too well for Russia. They complained about Ukraine moving in the general direction of NATO membership, and got Sweden and Finland as actual new members of NATO. Finland has a longer Russian border than Ukraine, and Sweden has a regional navy that pretty much controls the Baltic Sea. Both countries were pretty firmly neutral before the war.

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #101
elzbardico wrote: post #83

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Because is fucking undproductive, useless and detrimental to society. Advertising is a cancer, an immoral activity.

If you owned a small business you'd be singing a very different tune.

Hi. I own a business. I still find ads to be cancer.

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Post by sct202 »

Salgat wrote: post #80
digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

For a new factory with a new entry into the local market it makes perfect sense to bring in experienced workers for knowledge transfer. This is more an issue if a decade later this is still how things are done.

Back when American companies were offshoring, the initial start up teams were comprised of a lot of Americans who would do commissioning and initial ramp ups while training up the foreign workers. It's a lot easier to train people on a production line that is proven to work.

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Post by mportela »

hashishen wrote: post #92
kobalsky wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the internet ad industry is raking billions from all over the world into the USA, how can you call that unproductive.

a profitable market can still be unproductive if the overall result is a nuisance to society on almost every level

like the healthcare industry in the US

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Post by tivert »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #101
elzbardico wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because is fucking undproductive, useless and detrimental to society. Advertising is a cancer, an immoral activity.

If you owned a small business you'd be singing a very different tune.

> If you owned a small business you'd be singing a very different tune.

The problem with advertising is that a little bit done honestly is actually good and fine. What we actually have way, way too much, and it's often dishonest and manipulative.

It's a similar thing with finance. It's necessary, but way too many talented people are spending their energies on it.

Black and white thinking doesn't really capture the situation, and ends up creating a lot of noise (BAN IT ALL vs. IT'S ALL GOOD AND YOU LOVE IT, FIGHT!).

Honestly, I think it might be a good thing to put caps on the number of people that can work in sectors like that (and further limit the number of very smart people working in them), to direct talented people to more productive and socially beneficial parts of the economy.

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Post by byw »

Xeronate wrote: post #47
digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

I read the main problem with hiring chip factory workers in Arizona was the factory just didnt pay enough for the long hours demanded. I looked up the median salary and its only 50k so I'm assuming it's not crazy skilled labor (e.g. brain drain). Taiwanese workers just seem more willing to do it.

Cost of living can be a lot lower in Taiwan, if your property is already paid off.

Unfortunately housing is super overpriced, due to the Asian mentality resulting in high property ownership.

Real estate is always the monkey wrench in the gears of capitalism because of high necessity yet limited supply.

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