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Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by science4sail »

inglor_cz wrote: post #63
sertraline wrote: post #48

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This is what interested me for a long time. The media industry in particular demonstrates very well that DEI content is not only unprofitable; it is net negative to the companies that produce it. The state of the movie industry is such that we have movies that have positive journalist reviews and negative user reviews, yet nobody is watching these movies, and each movie production costs them hundreds of millions. Thi…

That is a really interesting question. I understand why CEOs, boards etc. engage in virtue signaling: once you are rich enough, status becomes more important than extra money, and this is a cheap way how to buy status and get invited to the right parties, where you may even be allowed to recite your own land acknowledgment from a podium. But investors mostly don't care about status, and quite a lot of investors likel…

Perhaps the investors felt that DEI programs would produce benefits in the long run? For all the accusations of Wall Street short-termism, the stock market was very patient with Amazon during its reinvest-all-profit years and the Saudis were very patient with Masayoshi Son's Vision Fund adventures.

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Post by franktankbank »

eesmith wrote: post #106
franktankbank wrote: post #102

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Feel like we are talking past each other honestly. I don't think its worthwhile to label something discrimination without a clear motive behind it. Nepotism == My tribe > other tribe DEI == Diversity > mono-culture Meritocracy == job skills > political skills Note there is no prescribed method how you balance those forces for "peak results" because there is no generic "peak result". Maybe I should have stated Meritoc…

You asked "What kind of discrimination isn't covered by motives of nepotism or DEI?" One of my examples was how women couldn't be in combat roles until recently. Is that 'Nepotism'? No, not unless you have a very strange definition of "tribe" such that men and women are in different tribes. Is that 'DEI'? No, not unless you have a very strange definition of culture such that men and women are in different cultures. I…

In my last response I admitted Meritocracy is a form of discrimination (often an acceptable one).

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Post by nailer »

mschuster91 wrote: post #24
nailer wrote: post #21

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I’m not sure you read this part of the comment you’re replying to: > "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" You’re making points that women can be physically strong. Nobody is doubting this, the parent was providing evidence that these women themselves say they are not strong.

> Nobody is doubting this, the parent was providing evidence that these women themselves say they are not strong. Yeah and that's where the last sentence with the skill I wrote comes into play. Instead of just "manhandling" said husband and carry him in the front of you, lift him on your back, and anyone too heavy for that will also be too heavy for most male firefighters (bodybuilders are rare , especially in volunt…

> Instead of just "manhandling" said husband and carry him in the front of you, lift him on your back

Lifting someone onto your back still qualifies as carrying someone out of a fire which this firefighter says she can’t do.

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Post by nailer »

mongol wrote: post #55
logicchains wrote: post #42

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>And by this same logic, the Nobel Committee for Physics has an obvious historical bias towards Jews, right? No, because Ashkenazi Jews have been demonstrated to perform significantly better on IQ tests on average, and performance on IQ tests is associated with various intellectual outcomes like winning the Nobel Prize. On the other hand, lesbians haven't been demonstrated to perform better on any kind of metrics ass…

The correlation between Jews and Nobel Prize is much more likely attributed to social factors.

Why?

Rabbinal Judaism has existed for nearly 2000 years, and prizes debate and logical examination.

Jewish people, particularly those that left the Middle East during diaspora, tend to have high IQ when measured, and tend not to marry outside their group. The brain is not special and different groups people differ in that organ the same way different groups differ in their muscles and blood.

Finally and quite sadly many Jewish people have been targeted viciously by individuals and governments and invading systematic execution requires a certain degree of wits.

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Post by inglor_cz »

mschuster91 wrote: post #107
inglor_cz wrote: post #91

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My point is the need for this ability is next to zero because it is extremely dangerous That is an absolute non-sequitur. Yes, it is dangerous to carry a person out of a fire. But it is still an expected, though infrequent occurrence during duties of a firefighter. By deliberately striking this capability from list of demands, you are also deliberately restricting the total life-saving capabilities of the firefightin…

> On the other hand, I couldn't care less about diversity checkboxes. The idea that a firefighting corps is better for having more women is as weird to me as the idea that a firefighting corps is better for having more Taylor Swift fans. Fact is, volunteer corps are already struggling with obtaining and retaining volunteers. Excluding women excludes 50% of the potential force.

So, an overall unattractive activity, and for some reason, we need more women stuck there?

If volunteer firefighting is a people repellent now, the "repellent" part needs to change, unless the "everybody needs to be equally miserable" hairshirt version of equity applies.

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Post by gnz11 »

lupusreal wrote: post #50
gnz11 wrote: post #43

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Eh, I’d argue most people don’t think or care about DEI or go on social media to post weird rants. Most people have better things to do. Social media and the Web can amplify opinions that really aren’t that widespread in reality.

People care insofar as their lives are made to intersect with it. Zuckerberg in particular most likely cares and isn't being performative when he speaks out against it. I'm surprised that people are surprised he has. The man likes to larp as a bronze age hunter, killing goats with spears in his backyard. He trains in combat sports and wants to have a celebrity boxing match with Elon Musk. He's the father of half-asia…

The vast majority of people aren’t affected by DEI just as they weren’t when it came to CRT. No one wakes up and worries how DEI will impact their day. DEI was used as a wedge issue on the campaign trail and amplified on social media (and right wing infotainment) for the purpose of having a boogeyman to attack.

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Post by inemesitaffia »

tivert wrote: post #96
lupusreal wrote: post #50

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People care insofar as their lives are made to intersect with it. Zuckerberg in particular most likely cares and isn't being performative when he speaks out against it. I'm surprised that people are surprised he has. The man likes to larp as a bronze age hunter, killing goats with spears in his backyard. He trains in combat sports and wants to have a celebrity boxing match with Elon Musk. He's the father of half-asia…

> He's the father of half-asian children, who are classified as "negative diversity" by DEI initiatives. WTF!? Do you have more information about this "negative diversity" concept?

Pale and male is stale. Asians are white and Jews are white post October 7.

The foundation is here —"Apple's Black Diversity Chief Steps Down After Saying White Men Are Diverse, Will Be Replaced By A White Woman" I believe via BET

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Post by blub »

astura wrote: post #77
blub wrote: post #36

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The case of the two policewomen which ran away from a shooting and left their male colleagues to fend for themselves caused quite a stir in Germany. During the trial they said they were deadly afraid and didn’t see how many shooters there were and from where the shots were coming. Got in their car and left. I tried to find an equivalent male example, but every newspaper was writing about this particular case.

This happened during the Uvalde school shooting. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/07/13/uvalde-sho... It's interesting there was a trial, because in America police have no specific duty to protect the public.

Thanks for the link. It looks like in your and the sibling poster’s link the police didn’t protect the public because of cowardice and/or incompetence.

In the case I link, the trial was about abandoning their fellow policemen in danger, not the public. They probably view things differently when they themselves are affected.

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