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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by jemmyw »

huesatbri wrote: post #53
forgotoldacc wrote: post #9

How well does Kagi work for places outside the US and non-English languages? I've only ever seen it mentioned by US users, so I have no clue how support is elsewhere. I briefly tried duckduckgo and its non-US/non-english search results seemed to be lacking (though this was about 2 years ago).

I fallback to google when I need to search for anything shopping related, e.g. in what store can I get this item in my country.

I've found the opposite. One of the reasons I switched to kagi was that Google would not give results for NZ stores even though it had that location set, whereas kagi puts NZ results at the top

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by unlikelymordant »

throwaway290 wrote: post #82
unlikelymordant wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found quoting helps much. I also feel like i shouldnt have to craft search queries with a lot of inurl or other tags or quoting. Kagi just seems to work better. Its worth 10$ a month to me to not have to worry about it, I use search engines a lot.

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I have been using search for engines for 30 years, my queries are not vague, i put as many keywords and "inurl"s and whatnot in as i can manage. I dont use kagi blocklists. Google results for my specific queries are garbage. I am much happier with kagi. If you are happy with google, thats fine too. Perhaps we are just in different bubbles and mine are not well served by google.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by llamaimperative »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #107
llamaimperative wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as far as my observations go it's a little more complicated It is literally not more complicated, as you’ve just laid out.

your explanation boils down to "russia is an aggressor and hence will aggress". i'm considering the context - so, my perspective is a little more complicated.

Like "the US expanding NATO" haha. No one is coerced into joining NATO, ya goofball.

Yes, dictators who express imperialist ambitions and who fashion themselves after former emperors tend to engage in empire building. Ooooo so complicated!

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by llamaimperative »

mopsi wrote: post #109
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukrain…

> sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. This is not some "nuanced view", but blatantly wrong Russian propaganda: 1. The notion of "the US expands NATO" is ridiculous…

Great points. But have we considered (or perhaps blindly trusted) what the lying, stealing, cheating dictator has to say about this?

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by throwaway290 »

unlikelymordant wrote: post #112
throwaway290 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I have been using search for engines for 30 years, my queries are not vague, i put as many keywords and "inurl"s and whatnot in as i can manage. I dont use kagi blocklists. Google results for my specific queries are garbage. I am much happier with kagi. If you are happy with google, thats fine too. Perhaps we are just in different bubbles and mine are not well served by google.

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by rollcat »

Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

> [...] incredible that a small team [...]

Here, this. Small, focused teams usually deliver more output per person (or even overall) than larger ones. Less management overhead, clear goals and responsibilities, tendency to employ people with cross-disciplinary experience, hiring for talent and not checklists, etc.

> [...] can somehow use LLMs more effectively [...]

LLMs are an incredibly effective tool for the few areas where they do fit the problem. But there's so much "AI" hype going on, everyone is trying to cram it into anything and everything, running around with a hammer trying to smash things just in case they turn out to be a nail. Even the old-time players (who should know better) can't resist the urge.

It's almost like oligopolies faced with changing markets tend to start collapsing under their own weight.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by throwaway290 »

silver_silver wrote: post #96
throwaway290 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You’re paying Google via the profile they have of you. Remember there’s no such thing as a free lunch while you’re feeling so superior

If you use Kagi and visit any sites with google analytics etc. then you are paying Kagi with your bucks AND Google with your profile.

Oh and you can use Google completely anonymously. You can't do it with Kagi. All your searches go with your billing address (but you can trust Vlad they won't ever use it to profile you).

Maybe the aura of superiority from paying $10 per month for something 99% ppl don't pay for blinds you to the above facts.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by rubslopes »

Unlike most subscription services that rely on dark patterns to make cancellations difficult, Kagi does the opposite: it emails me every month to remind me that my subscription is still active and that I’ll be charged in a few days. It’s a small but significant gesture that shows respect for users.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by LUmBULtERA »

david38 wrote: post #74
Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Is $10 really expensive? For most people, no. Can you think of $10/m you spend on something less important than search? A couple coffees, a sandwich, HBO, Netflix, a drink, using two gallons of gas recreationally, etc

I almost never buy coffee. Rarely buy sandwiches out. I get HBO for $3/month now for 6 months and will cancel after. Netflix is $7/month, though the whole household uses that. Two gallons a gas can buy a lot of transportation to necessities for the kiddo. Though we have an EV and $10 gets us maybe 250 miles more or less of driving -- that's a lot.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by mossTechnician »

UberFly wrote: post #21

"The 300 search plan unfortunately just isn’t a very pleasant experience. I’d find myself wincing any time I accidentally typed a query I already knew the result of like Serious Eats Channa Masala into Kagi’s search during my metered month" "...do yourself a favor and jump straight into the $10 USD per month plan" This exactly. I love using Kagi and felt the relief sweep over me when I went to unlimited. Well worth i…

I use DuckDuckGo or pretty much anything else that feels suitable at the time, but I never think about searching this hard. It sounds like using Kagi inserts a conscious awareness of the product you're using. You're not just in the middle of an activity (whatever you're searching for), you're consciously Doing A Search.

Switching to unlimited searches sounds convenient if you can handle the price, but then a sort of Amazon Prime conundrum emerges: since you're paying for one option, why would you want to go anywhere else?

Maybe that's why I see so much enthusiasm for Kagi: when people use it, it's conscious.

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