This may be the most Hacker News thing I've heard since Soylent.
This is objectively worse than Soylent.
28h Days: year 1 update
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Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even mean ?! I don't have a 24-hour sleeping schedule naturally. I can force myself into it, but I'll feel miserable because I have to fight my own body to not "fight the sunlight". Some people start naturally getting drowsy in the evening every day, yes, sure. Good for them. I'm not one of those people. So I'm very much with the author here and I might actually try 28-hour da…
> Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even mean?! Are you not getting much sunlight? I can understand the reaction to being told something that doesn’t match your experience. But. The link between sunlight and sleep for most life on earth is pretty well established science, and has a name: Circadian Rhythm. Have you ever tried camping for a week? My sleep tends to drift when I’m working indoors a lot, up late at…
I'm not getting much sunlight. Especially now. But I was getting plenty when I lived in Dubai for several months. Didn't change anything much, my sleeping schedule was still slipping. So no, your theory is wrong.
Non-24-hour sleep/wake disorder is not something one can fix like this. I would if I could. I've had this problem since my late teens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake...
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm skeptical. Chronic sleep deprivation does a pretty good job of helping people go to sleep at the same time each day. Either way, it seems like a arbitrary distinction to make. If Bob is happier and more productive on a 26 hour schedule, but can unhappily live on a 24 hour schedule, why doest that count? It seems the relevant Factor is what their natural schedule actually is, given the circumstances etc
Why would anyone be happier on a 26-hour schedule if they can get an adequate amount of sleep and go to sleep close to the same time on 24-hour schedule? I can see it going the other way, where if your natural rhythm is 22 hours you can likely force yourself to stay awake to align with 24 (and likely would be much happier than free-running on a 22-hour clock). Speaking from personal experience, if I could consistentl…
My point is that a lot of these people are just sleep deprived.
Bob might go to sleep the same time, but maybe he gets 4 hours of sleep a night and operates on a deficit all day.
It's repeatable on a 24-hour cycle but miserable
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even mean?! Are you not getting much sunlight? I can understand the reaction to being told something that doesn’t match your experience. But. The link between sunlight and sleep for most life on earth is pretty well established science, and has a name: Circadian Rhythm. Have you ever tried camping for a week? My sleep tends to drift when I’m working indoors a lot, up late at…
I'm not getting much sunlight. Especially now. But I was getting plenty when I lived in Dubai for several months. Didn't change anything much, my sleeping schedule was still slipping. So no, your theory is wrong. Non-24-hour sleep/wake disorder is not something one can fix like this. I would if I could. I've had this problem since my late teens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake...
Fair enough, but it’s called a disorder for a reason. It’s still reasonable for people to talk about the known link between sun and sleep by default, and not assume something’s wrong with you, right? It sounds like you were already aware what it meant before asking?
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#116After reading the article I didn’t pick up what any of the advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for what isn’t a solid reason. I could se…
All in the original post: https://sidhion.com/blog/28h_days/
This was just the 1 year update.
Idea is that you go to be when you feel tired.
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#117After reading the article I didn’t pick up what any of the advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for what isn’t a solid reason. I could se…
Decades ago I did a free-running sleep schedule for a few months while working a fairly intensive software project that required almost no interaction with others. I didn’t have a schedule, I just slept when I felt like it, and did resistance training throughout the day when I felt like it (I had a bunch of gym equipment in the same room as computers). Empirically, this turned into 26 hour days, so my hours came into…
I did a similar experiment for 14 days when I was 13-14ish, it balanced out to 20-30 minutes wake and a 5 to 10 min nap.
It was pretty wild. I coded (machine code) in bed until my head got heavy then I would nap and wake up shortly after with the task noticably organized in my head. It felt perfectly natural to sleep on it as well as to wake up when the data was parsed. I kinda lived in the twilight zone.
Fun details: the room was perfectly dark. The tv was set to be so dark that I had to wait for my eyes to adjust to see the code. Nothing else was visible. The bed was tilted about a foot. The computer had no mouse pointer.
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried melatonin. It gave me nightmares. Weird, but it was repeatable. So, my 0,02€.
This happens if I take too much melatonin. The dosage in US-sold melatonin is unnecessarily high. Finnish tablets are typically 1.9mg, while US ones can have 10mg in just one.
Luckily some people warned about this a lot online (not to take too much, most pills are too much) and I was able to find 1mg tablets on Amazon when I wanted some.
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#119What wasn't entirely clear to me was the why - I'm by no means against alternative sleep schedules, but this seems far more bother than it is worth. I've struggled with termination insomnia most of my life, waking up extremely early and not being able to go back to sleep - and in recent years have managed to make that work for my full schedule by basically sleeping ~4 hours, awake for 8, sleeping 4, awake 8, etc.
So a typical schedule could look like:
10pm-2am - sleep
2am-10am - awake
10am-2pm - sleep
2pm-10pm - awake
I've experimented with this a lot - for whatever reason, I don't know why, this split schedule allows me to feel much more alert and attentive during my waking hours, and isn't as stressful as trying to sleep a full 7-8 per night which a lot of times feels impossible for me.
Sometimes I'll do 5-6 hours sleep on 1 cycle instead of 4, so it can shift around, but otherwise stays pretty consistent. Technically I am getting just as many sleep cycles as a "normal" schedule (One part of this was a sleep study to figure out what my natural full rem cycle is, for me, it's about 2 hours long).
I've been doing this for about 2 years and wouldn't do anything else, and it's really not difficult to fit it into a "normal" routine. My close friends have remarked that it makes it seem like I never sleep (due to being available at hours all around the clock), that's about all that anyone has remarked about it.
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would anyone be happier on a 26-hour schedule if they can get an adequate amount of sleep and go to sleep close to the same time on 24-hour schedule? I can see it going the other way, where if your natural rhythm is 22 hours you can likely force yourself to stay awake to align with 24 (and likely would be much happier than free-running on a 22-hour clock). Speaking from personal experience, if I could consistentl…
My point is that a lot of these people are just sleep deprived. Bob might go to sleep the same time, but maybe he gets 4 hours of sleep a night and operates on a deficit all day. It's repeatable on a 24-hour cycle but miserable
Gotcha, that wasn't clear in your earlier comment.
If someone is unable to get adequate sleep on a 24-hour day due to their circadian rhythm misalignment then I believe this is non-24 even if it's because they wake up too early rather then go to sleep too late when trying to keep 24-hour days.