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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by pavlov »

nobodywillobsrv wrote: post #7

The biggest problem with the EU is that it is built for bureaucrats and as such it is geared towards irreversible "blob" decisions. Brexit should have been a near no-op. But it was a huge pain. They hadn't even planned for it or thought about it. EU should have a pre-memeber clearing state that countries stay in and then vote every year or n years to be "in" or "out" of the EU. But part of being in the EU should be t…

> “But part of being in the EU should be to maintain non-in versions of all policies so that members can actually negotiate and easily leave without having huge bureaucratic cost.”

So countries should maintain two sets of all regulations — the actual ones and then also parallel hypothetical ones — and this would somehow reduce bureaucratic cost rather than double it?

The execution of Brexit ought to put to rest the notion that “we’ll make our own rules!” somehow would save money or improve anything. Britain has accomplished exactly nothing except recreate local bureaucracies they had already managed to eliminate because of harmonized EU rules.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

messe wrote: post #101
ripbozo wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The user also calls unions a cancer on society, that tells you everything you need to know.

Not an uncommon opinion on this site, sadly. There are some viewpoints on here that seem utterly alien to me.

There has been a shift in outlook among many in our profession, and this place has definitely come to reflect that.

Huge difference between Trump Round 1, 2016 and now, in terms of how this stuff is discussed.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by joshl32532 »

make3 wrote: post #60
cs02rm0 wrote: post #20

Wacky idea. The EU is an awful lot of legislation to sign up to, not the most popular it's even been either. If it's just about trading space and resources for people I'd imagine a more bespoke arrangement would be preferable for both sides.

This is never passing. Trump-inspired conservatives are on their ways to be guaranteed majority at the next federal elections.

The conservatives were leading the polls wayyy before Trump even winning the GOP primaries.

Canadians are just tired of Justin Trudeau after almost 10 years. Which happens to even the best of leaders, and JT is far from it.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by zo1 »

BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

He's also unaware of the controversy and debate many places in Europe are having over immigration. At this point I'd really like to know what country doesn't have some large backlash and controversy against immigration.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #93
fabiofzero wrote: post #26

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Very few Americans give a shit what Canada does or doesn't do. It's their country, they have the right to run their affairs as they see fit.

Then could the newly elected US president kindly STFU about Canada this month? Thanks.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by diggan »

BossingAround wrote: post #9

If Canada joined the EU, they would have a TON of immediate immigrants, ranging from manual labor (e.g. plumbers, builders, cleaners, factory workers, ...) up to knowledge workers (e.g. software engineers, doctors, nurses, ...). Not sure what that would do with Canadian economy. IMO it would be even more desirable target for emigration than the UK when it was in the EU. I know I would certainly consider it, being a s…

We can only guess I suppose, but I don't know how high the immediate transfer of people back/forwards between hypothetical new EU Canada + existing countries would be. Might even turn out to be more Canadians leaving for Europe than the other way around.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by selimthegrim »

jimbob45 wrote: post #27
youngNed wrote: post #16

Tired: Canada should join the eu Wired: greenland should pacman defence[1] the USA [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_defense

Expired: Northern California should become its own state I miss the wired/tired/expired lists greatly. Wired from 2000-2010 was a high-quality publication.

Expired: Noriega

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by zizee »

flessner wrote: post #89

EU needs to clear out its own backyard first, kick Hungary out... Orban has brought nothing but chaos and costs. After that, why not? Turkey has been in discussion for ages and is barely in Europe. Also, South Africa might be interesting in the future if they can see eye to eye on political and economic issues.

> South Africa ... if they can see eye to eye on political and economic issues.

That's a pretty big "if".

Right now South Africa is a basket case, with corruption at the highest levels of government, and one in five citizens living in extreme poverty. The crime rate is extreme, with high levels of murder and rape.

So yes I agree, South Africa would be very "interesting" if it joined the EU.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by insane_dreamer »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #115
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few Americans give a shit what Canada does or doesn't do. It's their country, they have the right to run their affairs as they see fit.

Then could the newly elected US president kindly STFU about Canada this month? Thanks.

or about anything else for that matter

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by selimthegrim »

sach1 wrote: post #104
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: Cyprus, the rule may be being on the same tectonic plate, which AFAICT, Cyprus is (the Eurasian plate).

Canada directly borders France (St. Pierre et Miquelon) so if we ignore dragging in the geologists, that's as good an argument as any.

Canada also directly borders Denmark via Greenland on Hans Island.
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