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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mdaniel »

hu3 wrote: post #53

Related. This is the bookmark I use to summarize websites using ChatGPT: javascript:window.open('https://chatgpt.com/?q=summarize this page in 100 words: '+encodeURIComponent(window.location.href),'_blank'); Basically it opens a new tab on chatgpt.com with the prompt: "summarize this page in 100 words: URL" Tested on Firefox and Chrome. Some websites block ChatGPT and can't be summarized this way. Works in incognito/…

I was surprised about the "doesn't require a ChatGPT account" part but when I tried it from an incognito window their "4o mini" gave back

I cannot access external links directly. However, if you provide the text or key points from the page, I can help summarize it for you!

and clicking the model selection drop-down produced "Log in to try advanced features"

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by dralley »

sitkack wrote: post #80
Dalewyn wrote: post #29

Shit like this is why Mozilla deserves to die. They have overstayed their welcome and just drag the rest of us all down.

Firefox needs to be forked and owned by the people. I'd pay $1 a month for a browser run by the people. Management and extension options could be rolled out for government, business, education, etc. There are so many models where the browser thrives, the org that shepherds the browser thrives, and the people thrive. Firefox is like the shitty best option that camps out in its niche, it sucks but it is really hard to…

> I'd pay $1 a month for a browser run by the people.

You and approximately 5 other people. Paid browsers in 2024 are not a path to mainstream success, especially if you are what Firefox is - a fully independent tech stack down to the browser engine and not a barebones reskin of Chrome. A reskin of Chrome would have very low development costs. Firefox does not.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mdaniel »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #56
jiggawatts wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you confident to use such a tiny model on something so critical? I would never use anything smaller than a 70B model for anything even vaguely medical related!

> Why are you confident to use such a tiny model on something so critical? Don't use any LLM for something critical. They can't be trusted innately due to their design, why on earth would you use them for something where you need reliability?

> why on earth would you use them for something where you need reliability?

As very best I can tell the answer is "because bags of cash"

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

Duwensatzaj wrote: post #70
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

> What's their actual product differentiation from Chrome these days? Providing monopoly protection to Google. They have no interest in actually competing for market share.

The monopoly protection is provided by Apple and to a lesser extent Microsoft. Mozilla is completely irrelevant at this point.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by xnx »

Google pays money to Mozilla. Mozilla creates Firefox extension powered by Google AI(?). Mozilla pays Google for cloud services(?).

Is that the right flow? FAQ link is broken so I can't tell.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mdaniel »

sitkack wrote: post #80
Dalewyn wrote: post #29

Shit like this is why Mozilla deserves to die. They have overstayed their welcome and just drag the rest of us all down.

Firefox needs to be forked and owned by the people. I'd pay $1 a month for a browser run by the people. Management and extension options could be rolled out for government, business, education, etc. There are so many models where the browser thrives, the org that shepherds the browser thrives, and the people thrive. Firefox is like the shitty best option that camps out in its niche, it sucks but it is really hard to…

> I'd pay $1 a month for a browser run by the people.

The bad news is that 12,000 other people would need to similarly pay per month to have a dev team of just 10. I know Ladybird is lean and mean but finding that big of an audience (or, of course, bigger) who would pay for a browser, per month, is likely a non-starter

It would be a much more interesting proposal to start a bug bounty for the damn near infinite Bugzilla queue, although as I understand it some of the hassle of a bug bounty program is evaluating submissions. And don't say "but we'll use an LLM" or I'll throw up in my mouth

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by xnx »

I'm skeptical of a lot of Firefox side quests, but I encourage this one. Orbit could be a stepping stone to an Open Source version of Google Project Mariner. A n un-nerfed built-in AI could turn browsers into true user agents that work on your behalf.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by ipaddr »

scq wrote: post #109
likeabatterycar wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla is like the legit side business the Mafia uses for taxes, group health benefits, etc. and to give an air of legitimacy to their operation. Google needs Mozilla to exist to prove on paper they don't hold a monopoly with Chrome.

Safari and Edge have larger market shares, they don't need Firefox for that.

Edge is based off of chrome. Safari isn't a browser outside of Apple computers.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by devvvvvvv »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

Sidebery does vertical tabs on Firefox better than any other browser/extension imo

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by ipaddr »

jsheard wrote: post #28
raincole wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how Mozilla even exists financially. Is it just that Google keeps them alive to avoid antitrust lawsuits against Chrome?

Pretty much, about 85% of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google in exchange for making them the default search engine. The ongoing antitrust case against Googles search business is threatening to make that deal illegal though, so ironically the attempt to break up one Google monopoly might incidentally kill Firefox and make another Google monopoly stronger than ever.

Assuming donations would still be legal they have the funding structure to get around that through their foundation.
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