I have been to airports whose runway end in the ocean, a swamp, a mountain and a 5 lane highway.
I’m worried about the ocean all the time, so it’s weird to think that’s actually the best kind of scenario.
Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
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Re: Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
This depends strongly on the airport, terrain, and variability of winds. There are airports in which approaches always or very nearly always follow the same profiles given local conditions. SFO, SJC, and SAN would be three examples off the top of my head. SFO's major approaches are over the bay, opposite approaches would involve rapid descents dictated by mountains near the airport. SJO and SAN are both limited by pr…
You’re right. Looking at the charts, it appears that both 01 and 19 can be used - https://aim.koca.go.kr/eaipPub/Package/2020-07-30/html/eAIP/... What’s noteworthy, there’s a note to use extreme caution due to this wall if landing or taking off towards it.
Strangely, the only snapshots on the internet archive are on Dec 29 2024 (date of the accident) and the day after...
https://web.archive.org/web/20241215000000*/https://aim.koca...
Are we expected to believe these pages never got crawled before?
Can we learn a forensic lesson for this and automatically snapshot similar pages for all runways worldwide?
Re: Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
#113Lots of airports have obstacles not far from the end of the runway. Burbank, Midway, Orange County are a few that come to mind. Why did they need to land when they did? Why did they need to land so soon after the mayday call? (only 8 minutes from mayday to crash, as I understand it) Why couldn't they land on a longer runway? Why did they land so far down the runway? What forced them to land in a clean configuration?…
Were those obstacles installed by the airport though? I thought it was like stuff on land outside of the airport for those other examples.
Re: Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
#114My wife is South Korean (from andong). I asked her and she looked at me like I'd grown a second head "because it's South Korea? We're a young country and that is tiny airport in the south, half of Korea is a safety hazard and you know that fine well, some freaking idiot put a wall there, oh well, it's korea" and walked off pretty angry I'd even asked.
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>Tell her she is wrong. It's an international airport with commercial traffic. 11th most busiest airport in the country.[0]
11th out of 15 total, servicing about 4 flights / 630 passengers per day on average using the very same statistics you've linked. That sounds like a pretty small airport to me, both in absolute and relative terms.
"International airport" means very little outside of large nations like the US, Russia, Canada, Brazil or China. Most nations are small enough that there's at least as many foreign airports within a few hundred kilometers as there are domestic ones, and therefore every airport may as well be an international airport.
Re: Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re right. Looking at the charts, it appears that both 01 and 19 can be used - https://aim.koca.go.kr/eaipPub/Package/2020-07-30/html/eAIP/... What’s noteworthy, there’s a note to use extreme caution due to this wall if landing or taking off towards it.
I don't see that note. There's one "extreme caution" note but it's about some other obstacle 2.1NM from the threshold of runway 1.
> 1.3 Pilot shall use extreme caution during carrying out final approach into RWY 01 or missed approach or departure for RWY 19 due to obstacle located east of extended RWY at approximately 2.1 NM from threshold of RWY 01.
it seems this is the same structure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_Air_Flight_2216#Non-stand...
Re: Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
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#117I don’t know why people keep fixating on this. Airplanes can’t skid out of the airport into the surrounding city. Mistakes were made, but this isn’t one of them. I suspect it is people trying to deflect blame from pilot error, which seems by far the most likely issue. They did none of the things you should do to stop a plane.
“keep fixating” may just be what’s rising to the surface in your algorithm. My own sense has been that the questions are pretty spread out.
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#118I was wondering the same thing and suspected it was some safety feature (better for a plane to smack into said wall instead of crash into some populated area, etc) I had no idea he had to make the approach in the opposite direction.
They already botched a gear down landing, which is almost never mentioned. They retracted the gear and did a teardrop go around from a headwind into a tailwind belly flop. Stinks of bad crew resource management and ATC which is why the ATC and airline for raided by SK officials.
Botched how?
Re: Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
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>Tell her she is wrong. It's an international airport with commercial traffic. 11th most busiest airport in the country.[0] 11th out of 15 total, servicing about 4 flights / 630 passengers per day on average using the very same statistics you've linked. That sounds like a pretty small airport to me, both in absolute and relative terms. "International airport" means very little outside of large nations like the US, Ru…
That's a great observation about 'international airport'. There is no point in mincing words regarding the definition of 'tiny'. I think you've correctly characterized the size of the airport.
Re: Why was there a wall near runway at S Korea plane crash airport?
#120Feels like a “pieces of flair” issue.
The runway should be as long as it’s required to be. If after (and before) the paved runway they need a length of open space, that should be however long it is required to be, too. Beyond that there could be a minefield, a pillow warehouse, an ocean, a mountain, etc. It shouldn’t matter.