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38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by dpassens »

HeckFeck wrote: post #61
sourcepluck wrote: post #21

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I think it's great. I've good passable German, not enough to really follow the details of a fast-paced, complicated talk, so I'm practically shut off from German media (at this level, anyway). But still, diversity is good, and the American-Anglification of all things cultural and linguistical is not necessarily a net positive. As in, I'm aware there's good points to it, but it's not an entirely clear picture, and som…

Some thoughts are too complex for English. Three genders means they are always one step ahead of the French. Shunning Latin root words means you can be more efficient. German persists for good reasons.

> Some thoughts are too complex for English.

English just adopts all the good German words. Every time I, a native German speaker, have struggled to express something in English it was either because my personal vocabulary was lacking or because of societal differences, never because English is somehow inferior.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by dpassens »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #103
mr_mitm wrote: post #92

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Can you give an example of a thought that cannot be expressed in English? That sounds like quite the claim without anything backing it up. I speak fluent German for what it's worth.

the only i can think of is sentence with comatas. In german you can have as many „hauptsätze“ in one sentence as long they are separated by a comma. for example what thomas berndhard does is crazy. its one sentence per page. i think in german you can be more precise in one sentence. but that will be a hell of a sentence.

Can't you just use a semicolon to do the same in English? And even if not, just because an idea is split over several sentences doesn't mean you can't communicate it. That's what paragraphs are for.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by aveao »

crest wrote: post #81
kalium-xyz wrote: post #73

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I dont think thats for everyone. Speaking as someone who has done it.

It's an option for those on a tight budget aka "beggars can't be choosers". Hotels are a lot cheaper if you book a (fully) refundable stay months in advance instead of waiting until you have a ticket.

Friends who booked months earlier still paid a bit of a premium. Much cheaper than now of course, but you should still budget for €150/night or so.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Y_Y »

jyounker wrote: post #88
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

It is a German conference. It was started by Germans. It is organized first and foremost by Germans. It happens in Germany. I find it arrogant to think that presenters should speak a language other than German.

Have you been to a German university? Plenty of technical subjects will be taught in English even if the speaker and audience are German.

There surely us a kind of arrogance that demands Germans speak English, but I don't see anyone in this thread expressing that.

(I won't even begin to talk about the variety of dialects and identities contained within the modern German state, except to say that there is plenty of arrogance to be found there for those who seek it.)

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Y_Y »

korfuri wrote: post #45
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

Hi, I'm a long standing CCC interpreter (volunteer of course). We aim to interpret live 100% of the talks in German (* we do not always interpret things that aren't strictly speaking talks, like poetry readings or performance art, although we try to make these as accessible as we can). We also interpret various talks into other languages - we have a sizeable team working on French and Spanish interpretation, and depe…

That's great to hear and I think it's admirable work you are doing. Thanks for correcting my misconception and making this excellent content more accessible.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by lolinder »

firefax wrote: post #114

>To see our schedule, please either enable JavaScript or go here for our NoJS schedule. Great design. Too often sites force me to temporarily whitelist their JS to get basic info.

This is way better than usual, but still a step down from what could be: just load the NoJS schedule with the initial page load and then replace it with your React app or whatever it is if JS is enabled. You can have the same banner at the top letting people know there's more functionality with JS. The only downside is more info over the wire, but it's not that much more, especially as a fraction of the already-slow load times for the JavaScript version.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by lispm »

ulnarkressty wrote: post #71
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

I have commented about this in the past and got downvoted for it. There is a reason why virtually all international conferences require presentations and talks to be held in English. If this was a German-only event it would be understandable, however as it is written on their website the CCC congress is "the biggest European hacker gathering and has grown into one of the most important conferences on digital transfor…

> "the biggest European hacker gathering and has grown into one of the most important conferences on digital transformation."

"biggest European hacker gathering" -> still most participants are from Germany, that's where the Chaos Computer Club is located. The club itself is organized into local groups all over the country (plus some in neighbor countries).

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