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Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by hackable_sand »

benreesman wrote: post #92
hackable_sand wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. Violence is literally the last thing a person can do. If there is violence then all other means have been tried.

Plenty of people regard it as one of the first options. I assume you mean that you and I aspire to better, and if so I agree. Violence can change things very rapidly in a superficial way: change who is holding the gun mostly. More substantial and lasting change generally requires ideas framed by compelling words and cemented by personal sacrifice. That’s the sort of change I’m signing up for. Any idiot can kill someo…

bruh

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by wakawaka28 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #110
wakawaka28 wrote: post #107

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I said joking but I meant exaggerating. At least I hope it's hyperbole. Even contemplation of killing your neighbor because they don't support your particular views about the solution to a complex issue is batshit insane.

And I'm saying it is less insane than shooting CEOs and expecting change.

It's actually more insane, but I guess one could argue either way which action is more likely to result in a change.

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #100
stavros wrote: post #93

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Why isn't it a crime to preside over a company that prioritizes profit over people's lives? The Nazis couldn't claim "I was just running the concentration camp" as a defense. The CEO of a company has the most power to change it, and definitely enough power to say "fuck this, find another CEO".

Comparing a CEO of an insurance company to a Nazi officer running a concentration camp is so stupid I don't even know where to begin. Insurance companies aren't overtly or covertly killing people. They might not be paying for their healthcare in every single instance where they should. As a business, they must decide what services to cover and at what price or they won't be in business for long. They face extensive r…

> ...perhaps by people like yourself who have the gall to compare 100% legal businesses to Nazi concentration camps.

At the time of Nazi rulership in Germany concentration camps were 100% legal.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filbinger_affair

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by wakawaka28 »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #113
wakawaka28 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing a CEO of an insurance company to a Nazi officer running a concentration camp is so stupid I don't even know where to begin. Insurance companies aren't overtly or covertly killing people. They might not be paying for their healthcare in every single instance where they should. As a business, they must decide what services to cover and at what price or they won't be in business for long. They face extensive r…

> ...perhaps by people like yourself who have the gall to compare 100% legal businesses to Nazi concentration camps. At the time of Nazi rulership in Germany concentration camps were 100% legal. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filbinger_affair

OK but it's still an incredible stretch to compare murders of prisoners to some company that isn't giving you all the wildly expensive benefits you think you're entitled to. There is also a big difference because most Germans were unaware of what concentration camps were doing, whereas everyone with basic awareness knows what an insurance company is and can choose to not do business with them.

Health insurance is a modern invention. People lived for thousands of years without it, and even in recent times most of the world does not have it. If you don't like insurance, you have the option of saving and investing your money to pay for whatever you can. Some people cannot afford to pay their expenses by saving, but those people cannot afford insurance either. Someone has to pay for whatever is on offer. I don't think insurance should be used for common health care, only for catastrophic things that you can't anticipate. Imagine how expensive car insurance would be if you insisted on having it pay for oil, tires, carwashes, etc. That is how people treat health insurance and it's stupid.

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Post by antifa »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #114
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #113

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> ...perhaps by people like yourself who have the gall to compare 100% legal businesses to Nazi concentration camps. At the time of Nazi rulership in Germany concentration camps were 100% legal. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filbinger_affair

OK but it's still an incredible stretch to compare murders of prisoners to some company that isn't giving you all the wildly expensive benefits you think you're entitled to. There is also a big difference because most Germans were unaware of what concentration camps were doing, whereas everyone with basic awareness knows what an insurance company is and can choose to not do business with them. Health insurance is a m…

> some company that isn't giving you all the wildly expensive benefits you think you're entitled to

nice strawman

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by hex3 »

antifa wrote: post #115
wakawaka28 wrote: post #114

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OK but it's still an incredible stretch to compare murders of prisoners to some company that isn't giving you all the wildly expensive benefits you think you're entitled to. There is also a big difference because most Germans were unaware of what concentration camps were doing, whereas everyone with basic awareness knows what an insurance company is and can choose to not do business with them. Health insurance is a m…

> some company that isn't giving you all the wildly expensive benefits you think you're entitled to nice strawman

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Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by itsdrewmiller »

tptacek wrote: post #49
itsdrewmiller wrote: post #48

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"Widely" could mean a lot of things - it doesn't appear to have anywhere close to majority support, but more than 15% of Americans (and almost half of young people) think it was at least acceptable: https://archive.ph/hXNhj That's around 50 million people.

That's an extrapolation from a poll, not literally 50 million people, and you can get 15% of a poll sample to say almost anything, including (first thing that popped up in my Google search) that Hitler was good actually.

I encourage you to think critically about things you find on the internet - I think you are being misled in your summary here. https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/headline-summarizing-youg...

There is the concept of the lizardman’s constant for polling wacky ideas but it is more like 4%.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and...

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by gsf_emergency »

tptacek wrote: post #63
zeven7 wrote: post #61

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This comment is a riddle. Say it plainly.

"Insurers are clearly not the problem with our health care system, as you can plainly see from the NHE."

Like this one?:

https://www.macpac.gov/publication/national-health-expenditu...

Looked at the table and could not plainly see the problem. Would imagine that time series presented like with an analog of Tim Morgan's Energy cost of Energy for energy markets might help..

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #49
itsdrewmiller wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Widely" could mean a lot of things - it doesn't appear to have anywhere close to majority support, but more than 15% of Americans (and almost half of young people) think it was at least acceptable: https://archive.ph/hXNhj That's around 50 million people.

That's an extrapolation from a poll, not literally 50 million people, and you can get 15% of a poll sample to say almost anything, including (first thing that popped up in my Google search) that Hitler was good actually.

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