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Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by echoangle »

willy_k wrote: post #53
engcoach wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't gauge the airspeed of an airplane from the ground. What you are observing is the ground speed , which is affected by winds. So a small Cessna flying into a heavy headwind can appear to move very, very slowly relative to the ground.

I’m aware of that, and I tried to think that was what was happening. But the motion apart from speed was nothing like a typical plane, and the other factors led me to conclude it was a drone. When I say the FAA light patterns were off, what I mean is that it had two red lights on the outside, and two green lights on the inside. AFAIK, the only type of aircraft that might have that configuration is a trans-wing drone.

> When I say the FAA light patterns were off, what I mean is that it had two red lights on the outside, and two green lights on the inside. AFAIK, the only type of aircraft that might have that configuration is a trans-wing drone.

What? How do you get from a specific kind of lighting to „trans-wing drone“? What prevents me from lighting a regular-wing RC plane with the same lighting configuration?

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by dessimus »

krunck wrote: post #58
thmsths wrote: post #9

The conclusion is terrifying in my opinion. A not yet explained phenomenon or even something as far fetched as "aliens" would have been a more comforting answer than "essentially we can all start losing our mind at once, and it takes very little to trigger it".

Witch!!!

Build a bridge out of her!

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by jidar »

j_timberlake wrote: post #78

This was literally my first thought for the anomalous drones like 2 weeks ago, and it was immediately obvious that the entire NJ police department should not be incompetent enough to fall for something so obvious. The mayors and governor should not be dumb enough to stake their reputations on this when the null hypothesis of "mass hysteria" is easier and safer. Even back then, we knew the sightings do not appear on f…

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Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by 98codes »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #77
karlgkk wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the seed oil thing is so funny to me because, like, yeah. also, no. it's actually true. they cause serious inflammation which aggravates serious downstream health problems. like, you shouldn't be eating seed oils in any large quantity that you would get from regularly eating deep fried foods oh but wait, eating foods with beef tallow and other saturated fats also causes health problems. except, those problems only sh…

I remember last year when fats were "good" and carbs were "bad", good times. I mean, it could all be a psy-op by the animal agriculture lobby to get people to eat even more meat and less veggies. brb frying broccoli and noodles

Anyone know if eggs are officially good or bad for us this year? I lost track.

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by Eisenstein »

Vegenoid wrote: post #100
kryogen1c wrote: post #30

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I think that people, on the whole, vastly underestimate the degree to which humans are animals.

I don’t understand how people underestimate it so badly when we have so much history we are taught that demonstrates it. History makes it abundantly clear that it is a regular occurrence for large groups of people to collectively believe things for which there is little evidence, and furthermore, to take extreme actions based on such beliefs. This applies to you too, reader. Many would read the above and fully agree…

> I don’t understand how people underestimate it so badly when we have so much history we are taught that demonstrates it.

It is the tendency to think that people in the past were dumb, and we aren't. Like, there always has to be some explanation involved when we learn that people did something unintuitive in the past -- people learned how to make beer by accidentally leaving leftover bread in liquid and then drank it when they were starving. Maybe? Or maybe they figured out that things ferment and played with it until it worked, like we would have done it? Why does it always have to be an accident?

People may have had less access to information and technology, but that didn't make them any dumber than we are now.

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by echoangle »

willy_k wrote: post #37
AlexandrB wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why someone would see lights in the sky and jump to anything other than "domestic/commercial aircraft". Why would aliens or foreign powers light their vehicles up for easy spotting? I would really start to worry if I spotted an aircraft at dusk/night with no lights on it.

There are without a doubt large drones with nav lights flying around multiple states at night now. There are a lot of people seeing drones where they aren’t, too, and it would be odd if that weren’t happening. But to take that and say “nothing to see here” is ignoring the mass of solid video and official non-statement evidence to the contrary. I myself saw a drone, and tried to paint it as a plane or helicopter at fi…

> I myself saw a drone, and tried to paint it as a plane or helicopter at first, but it was too close to the ground (seemed a few hundred feet up at most), had the mismatched light pattern characteristic of trans-wing drones, and moved too slowly for other types of aircraft. And most damningly it didn’t make any noise audible from the ground, something not even stealth bombers can accomplish.

That’s exactly what you would expect from a regular airplane though. You can’t accurately differentiate „low and slow“ vs „high and fast“ at night. And quiet operation is what high flying planes seem to do regularly.

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by ceejayoz »

itsanaccount wrote: post #108
ceejayoz wrote: post #96

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Being competent in one thing doesn't make you competent in everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease Each of the videos you linked to have extremely plausible, fairly mundane explanations other than "aliens". That fits the pattern. That you find them compelling as evidence of extraterrestrials is not a great sign. > When the video gets too good you can blame it on computer generated graphics. The coroll…

> That you find them compelling as evidence of extraterrestrials is not a great sign. That I post here a few easily accessible videos of interest on what is an enormous history that I have spent the past few years reading about tells me more about the lack of respect you immediately have for anyone on the topic. > to lonely farmers. That the public's UFO hysteria of the 1940s and 50s was originated entirely within th…

Respect is earned. If I claim to be able to fly, and send you several links to me flying that are easily explicable, conclusions can be drawn.

> That the public's UFO hysteria of the 1940s and 50s was originated entirely within the US military is similarly a fact of history I wouldn't expect you to know.

The 1940s military had a hell of a lot of former farmers in it. The days of fighter pilots needing college degrees came in the 70s/80s; Chuck Yeager was a farm (!) kid who became a mechanic with the war.

That the UFO hysteria coincides with the rise of commercial air travel is both known to me and entirely unsurprising, and no more compelling to me than witch hysteria in the 1600s, which often came with similarly compelling witness testimony.

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by echoangle »

willy_k wrote: post #97
lm28469 wrote: post #60

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> ignoring the mass of solid video 100% of the ones I looked into have been debunked, helicopters, planes, out of focus stars, fireworks, &c. > (seemed a few hundred feet up at most) At night you have absolutely no way to tell > And most damningly it didn’t make any noise audible from the ground, something not even stealth bombers can accomplish. My $300 dji can accomplish that, it's not a chinese super weapon nor an…

> 100% of the ones I looked into have been debunked, helicopters, planes, out of focus stars, fireworks A lot of videos are bunk, I have seen at least one video that is certainly drones. > At night you have absolutely no way to tell I agree, but I’ve seen plenty of other aircraft at night and it appeared to be much closer than any of those. And you can get a rough guess based on apparent size of the lights, though of…

> It’s almost certain that they are military drones, and if I had to guess they’re searching for something that would cause real mass hysteria if told to the public.

Why is that almost certain?

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by Eisenstein »

karlgkk wrote: post #83
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember last year when fats were "good" and carbs were "bad", good times. I mean, it could all be a psy-op by the animal agriculture lobby to get people to eat even more meat and less veggies. brb frying broccoli and noodles

I eat a pretty low carb (but not very low/keto!), high protein diet. Lots of vegetables, tofu, and chicken. I eat a head of cauliflower and two heads of cabbage a week. My broccoli bill is off the charts. But I'm also 210 lbs at 17% body fat so maybe my goals are different from most people's. I usually use seed oils, in very small amounts (to get a pan going). I consume red meats infrequently (just not my favorite th…

> high protein diet...I eat a head of cauliflower and two heads of cabbage a week. My broccoli bill is off the charts.

Your farts are probably legendary.

Re: Windshield pitting incidents in Washington reach fever pitch on April 15, 1954 (2003)

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Post by ceejayoz »

j_timberlake wrote: post #78

This was literally my first thought for the anomalous drones like 2 weeks ago, and it was immediately obvious that the entire NJ police department should not be incompetent enough to fall for something so obvious. The mayors and governor should not be dumb enough to stake their reputations on this when the null hypothesis of "mass hysteria" is easier and safer. Even back then, we knew the sightings do not appear on f…

> Also NJ police report the anomalous drones give off no heat signature like normal drones...

These are the same people who have panic attacks when they think they've been exposed to fentanyl (which usually involves them describing symptoms not consistent with opiate exposure, and mysteriously the officers never seem to test positive for it in the hospital). https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8810663/

In reality, someone exposed to a large volume of pure, liquid, lab-grade fentanyl... just washes their hands. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35722948/

(See also: “poisoned” milkshakes: https://ny.eater.com/2020/6/23/21299721/nypd-officers-report...)

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