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How Boston City Hall was born

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Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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Nah. The Taj Mahal was 100% an extravagance, built by the architect of the Peacock Throne. I stand by everything I wrote here, and every implication you might draw from it. I do not "conjecture", but rather assert, that these are expressions of narcisissm. And, fine. Whatever. The Taj Mahal is cool. But try to host a Notre Dame football game there. You can't do it. Ad majorem Dei glorium. --- (the drinking thing is w…

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Weird, dude.

This is not a good architectural fight to pick! Even if I was oot mah chicken, I'm pretty sure I could defend the claim I made upthread about the Taj Mahal.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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Weird, dude. This is not a good architectural fight to pick! Even if I was oot mah chicken, I'm pretty sure I could defend the claim I made upthread about the Taj Mahal.

Can’t a man who commissioned the construction of an approximately $24 million (roughly adjusted for inflation) bejeweled golden throne be the same man who is capable of expressing grief over the loss of perhaps the only other living being he ever loved (sure, I mean, perhaps because she posed no threat to the aforementioned throne) through the construction of a complex (comparatively less extravagant than the throne, in way that could argue on behalf of his modesty in his intent) in which is situated a masjid (a building which in and is of itself is waqf—a property free from corporeal possession) worthy (albeit not at all in need) of appreciation as a building that stands as part of a monument that exemplifies a beauty that transcends self-interests?

Maybe not.

But there’s other ways to go about expressing how this cannot be the case than by using vogue terminology that strips the issue of life or by viewing it through a lens skewed by one’s own criticisms against monuments to vanity attributed to their own faith or by what a person more astute in architecture than me may allege, an address against the Shah’s motives that distracts us from a historical context that is not at all unique to the topic at hand (the influence that religions had on the architecture of public spaces).

And for the record, a man leaves a trail of more than wit and foes when he has a nose for good debate.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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Weird, dude. This is not a good architectural fight to pick! Even if I was oot mah chicken, I'm pretty sure I could defend the claim I made upthread about the Taj Mahal.

Can’t a man who commissioned the construction of an approximately $24 million (roughly adjusted for inflation) bejeweled golden throne be the same man who is capable of expressing grief over the loss of perhaps the only other living being he ever loved (sure, I mean, perhaps because she posed no threat to the aforementioned throne) through the construction of a complex (comparatively less extravagant than the throne,…

I want to rebut this but "adjusted for inflation" makes this argument so funny I don't think I can credibly come back at you. What am I supposed to say here? Well played.

Doric columns on all new civic construction! It is settled.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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People interested in Boston City Hall should also visit the campus of Simon Fraser University, should they ever find themselves in the metro Vancouver area.

Check out the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth campus, too, about 60 miles south of Boston

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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The buildings across the street from the city hall plaza are an interesting counterpoint or maybe complement to brutalism. They're the same cement architecture but the concave areas of the faces are filled with brick, so it looks like a blending of the architectural styles of older Boston neighborhoods (like adjacent Beacon Hill) and the brutalism of many of Boston's municipal buildings. It's a lot easier on the eyes.

There's plenty of brutalist architecture around Boston and Cambridge, though none is as pronounced as city hall, in its massive open square, which in winter keenly acts as a powerful wind tunnel to smite those who would walk through the plaza.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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Boston City Hall is objectively beautiful and photos of it are all universally awesome (though it could stand a good powerwashing). The problem that locals experience and cannot escape is that it happens to be located on a giant ugly swath of absolutely not a goddamn thing called City Hall Plaza. So the building itself is grand, but the experience of looking at it in person is pretty bad and ominous purely because of…

> Boston City Hall is objectively beautiful This opinion puts you in a very small minority, to put it very kindly. It is a poster child for the dystopian, a cubist insult to anyone who has the misfortune of laying eyes on it. "Abandon hope all ye who enter here".

> This opinion puts you in a very small minority...

Statements like this always make me think about how the majority of americans believe that buildings can be haunted by spirits or demons or that ESP or telekinesis are real.

https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/2018/10/16/paranormal-am...

I think we need to be honest about the low merit of appealing to how well the average person's brain works.

The building itself is stunning. Look at every ground-level photo of it ever taken that doesn't include the plaza. But the feeling of standing next to the building has always been devastated by the blight of the plaza, and people are mostly incapable of separating the two. It only feels ominous looming conspicuously over a barren wasteland.

This has been quite improved relatively recently by plaza renovation (https://www.sasaki.com/projects/boston-city-hall-plaza-renov...), but that project was only completed at the tail end of 2022 so most people who have capital O "Opinions" about the building have never actually seen it in a less blighted context.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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post #80

Boston City Hall is objectively beautiful and photos of it are all universally awesome (though it could stand a good powerwashing). The problem that locals experience and cannot escape is that it happens to be located on a giant ugly swath of absolutely not a goddamn thing called City Hall Plaza. So the building itself is grand, but the experience of looking at it in person is pretty bad and ominous purely because of…

Hmm, lived there for a long time and walked by Boston City Hall almost every day. I'm not quite sure how to differentiate objective beauty and subjective beauty, but at least subjectively, in my opinion, it's an eyesore. Agreed on all fronts that City Hall Plaza is a disaster, though. I thought there were plans to revamp it with the Government Center station green line revamp a few years ago, but not sure if that imp…

You're right that there was a plaza renovation project. It has helped massively, (though I think it didn't go far enough), and it was only completed at the end of 2022 so most people grousing about the building have never seen it.

https://www.sasaki.com/projects/boston-city-hall-plaza-renov...

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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> Boston City Hall is objectively beautiful This opinion puts you in a very small minority, to put it very kindly. It is a poster child for the dystopian, a cubist insult to anyone who has the misfortune of laying eyes on it. "Abandon hope all ye who enter here".

> This opinion puts you in a very small minority... Statements like this always make me think about how the majority of americans believe that buildings can be haunted by spirits or demons or that ESP or telekinesis are real. https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/2018/10/16/paranormal-am... I think we need to be honest about the low merit of appealing to how well the average person's brain works. The building itself is…

> I think we need to be honest about the low merit of appealing to how well the average person's brain works.

This is the architecture equivalent of blaming software usability problems on the user. If the average person can't use your product or appreciate your building's design, then the design is flawed - end of story.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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Boston City Hall is objectively beautiful and photos of it are all universally awesome (though it could stand a good powerwashing). The problem that locals experience and cannot escape is that it happens to be located on a giant ugly swath of absolutely not a goddamn thing called City Hall Plaza. So the building itself is grand, but the experience of looking at it in person is pretty bad and ominous purely because of…

There's nothing objective about your personal preferences. It's an eyesore.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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In general, that's probably considered around the nadir of a lot of US cities. When I graduated from grad school in about the mid-80s, aside from some finance people in Manhattan, my classmates mostly didn't move into cities. I'm not sure anyone I knew went to live in Boston in spite of quite a few getting jobs in the area--but pretty much all the computer companies were in the suburbs/exurbs. Boston was losing popul…

I agree. A lot of US cities experienced that upswing in the 90s, so I'm not sure why I would attribute it to the central artery project.

I think partially it was because it was so cheap. In the late 90s I had an apartment a block from the lake in the Lakeview neighborhood in the Chicago north side and it cost $400 a month. Before that I lived out in the Chicago suburbs and my apartment was $800 a month.
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