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Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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I don't understand why one wouldn't just limit their time using the computer. If using a computer is giving you pain, stop using it. You can do most of your programming in your mind anyways.

I don't know what kind of genius mind you have, but I at least have to write down my ideas. Paper will suffice though.

If you know a domain space intimately, and are working on a problem for enough time, you don't need to write things down to think things through.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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I just have a lot of things I have to do in my program, and I have to do them twice a day, every day. I thought it might be better not to do it every day, and asked that, but was told no by two separate physios and my care team and so twice a day every day it remains. I also do in person physio and pilates on top of this three days a week. It's obviously good for me (what kind of exercise isnt I suppose) but id proba…

I am in the same situation. Disc herniation, post surgery, doing pt every day and no material improvement in 3 years. Ive tried many pt programs. My time is under extreme pressure. I need to stop sitting, and revert to a hunter gatherer movement pattern of walking, running and crouching. Unfortunately i live in nyc and my desk job may kill me. If we can use AI+VR/AR to put an end to desk work, it will dramatically be…

> I am in the same situation. Disc herniation, post surgery, doing pt every day and no material improvement in 3 years. Ive tried many pt programs. My time is under extreme pressure.

Ah, we’re in very similar situations. I’m sorry to hear of your struggles. I unfortunately know too well what you’re enduring. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

I had severe cervical myelopathy where my spine severely compressed my spinal cord, causing permanent damage. I underwent a cervical decompression and ACDF, but I’ll live with an incomplete spinal cord injury and its consequences for life.

On top of that, I have a herniated disc and Tarlov cysts in my lower lumbar spine. As if the cervical issues weren’t enough, I now fall randomly, making staying upright a constant challenge. The pain from both issues is so severe and relentless, I struggle to even explain it other than to note that it is "life altering."

I’m a few years out, and we’ve now discovered that my cervical spine is compressed again, along with nerves on the right side of my body. I started another physio program through my pain management team, but its not helping, more surgery is the only real solution. Still, I have to stick with physio because, as my medical team says, I need to be fitter than most people to manage my condition. Things are difficult enough that I don’t have the energy to question their guidance. What little energy I do have goes toward trying to stay employed.

> I need to stop sitting, and revert to a hunter gatherer movement pattern of walking, running and crouching.

I have a sit-stand desk and alternate between standing and sitting throughout the day for pain management. I’ll stand and pace for an hour, then sit for a while. It helps with pain in the moment, but I’m not sure it does much more than that.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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This does look very cool. But my advise for anyone suffering from pain to their arms, hands, backs, and any other body parts that usually hurt for people working on computer all day: Do modest, but regular mobility and strength exercises. While having an ergonomic (and cool looking at that) setup is important, it wont save you from muscle atrophy. A physical therapist might help you find the right kind of exercises f…

Full agree. My wife is a physical therapist (DPT, Northwestern) and the owner of a PT practice. I say this with some (very limited) authority, repeating things she has said to me: 1) Absolutely seek the advice of a good PT. It's not like going to a chiropractor where you'll get signed up for the "forever plan". You go, pay for a few visits or even just 1 and they will evaluate and give you things to do on your own. Y…

> 3) Sit on an exercise ball while at your desk

I bought an exercise ball for this purpose, but then learned that exercise balls can rupture under you with disastrous consequences. It may happen rarely, but I would rather not risk it.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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All of these so-called solutions are a waste of time and largely just adding a ridiculous amount of complexity to what is a very simple problem. Context: I worked a number of years in the special effects (movies) world. I supported hundreds of graphics artists working in dark rooms 16 hours a day. Think movies like Independence Day, Star Wars, etc. Dozens of artists wore all kinds of wrist braces all day. They also h…

I agree completely with you regarding not treating our bodies as if we're robots. About a year ago I began lifting weights again, something I hadn't done in more than 20 years, and the difference is amazing. I used to have very frequent pain episodes that would severely affect my ability to type on a keyboard, and now they are almost completely gone (and when I do get them, it's nowhere near as severe as it used to b…

I go all the way back to the introduction of the original Microsoft ergonomic keyboard and variants of the time. Watching a few hundred graphic artists grapple with this problem over a few years was a real education on the topic. They tried everything, from wrist braces to every type of keyboard and variant available. I remember one guy even resorted to taping the pen for his digitizing tablet to his hand in order to avoid having to grasp it for 12+ hours per day. Another guy taught himself to use two pens with the tablet to be able to alternate and relax one hand while continuing to work.

All of it, I concluded, at the end of the day, was just nuts. What they had to do was to both exercise and take meaningful breaks every couple of hours or thereabouts.

I need to go back and document my custom desk design. The approach I took worked very well.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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post #6

This does look very cool. But my advise for anyone suffering from pain to their arms, hands, backs, and any other body parts that usually hurt for people working on computer all day: Do modest, but regular mobility and strength exercises. While having an ergonomic (and cool looking at that) setup is important, it wont save you from muscle atrophy. A physical therapist might help you find the right kind of exercises f…

Full agree. My wife is a physical therapist (DPT, Northwestern) and the owner of a PT practice. I say this with some (very limited) authority, repeating things she has said to me: 1) Absolutely seek the advice of a good PT. It's not like going to a chiropractor where you'll get signed up for the "forever plan". You go, pay for a few visits or even just 1 and they will evaluate and give you things to do on your own. Y…

Last time I saw my physio, I asked about the exercise ball sitting thing because it had come up in a recent conversation. She smirked, got a ball from the other room and then proceeded to sit down on it with the biggest hunch I've ever seen. You can have bad posture sitting on anything, for most people having the option to support their back is better, because then you're not screwed once your back inevitably does get tired.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

#116
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely with you regarding not treating our bodies as if we're robots. About a year ago I began lifting weights again, something I hadn't done in more than 20 years, and the difference is amazing. I used to have very frequent pain episodes that would severely affect my ability to type on a keyboard, and now they are almost completely gone (and when I do get them, it's nowhere near as severe as it used to b…

I go all the way back to the introduction of the original Microsoft ergonomic keyboard and variants of the time. Watching a few hundred graphic artists grapple with this problem over a few years was a real education on the topic. They tried everything, from wrist braces to every type of keyboard and variant available. I remember one guy even resorted to taping the pen for his digitizing tablet to his hand in order to…

Or maybe deadlines should have become more lax for them? I'm assuming they worked like that without breaks because of the impossible deadlines given to them?

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Full agree. My wife is a physical therapist (DPT, Northwestern) and the owner of a PT practice. I say this with some (very limited) authority, repeating things she has said to me: 1) Absolutely seek the advice of a good PT. It's not like going to a chiropractor where you'll get signed up for the "forever plan". You go, pay for a few visits or even just 1 and they will evaluate and give you things to do on your own. Y…

> 3) Sit on an exercise ball while at your desk I bought an exercise ball for this purpose, but then learned that exercise balls can rupture under you with disastrous consequences. It may happen rarely, but I would rather not risk it.

The swopper stool is a great alternative.

https://ergify.com/aeris-swopper/

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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I imagine we'll be seeing more personalized setups as time progresses. Custom keyboards have been pretty feasible and affordable for a good while now, with things like QMK and even custom PCB designers. It can still be a bit fiddly, so it's mostly keyboard nutters such as myself who go down that rabbit hole. Custom trackpads/mice/trackballs haven't gained as much traction, they're not quite as simple as keyboards, an…

I'm still surprised by the price of some of these split keyboards. I guess it's just small batch size but $400 is steep.

You can buy them on Aliexpress for $100-150 fully assembled or < $50 pcbs for soldering.
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