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A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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What in the actual F is going on. I sincerely hope my cursory reading of the law was wrong. This law[1] seems pretty much to be a presumed-guilty-until-you've-proven-yourself-innocent thing. Seems they've entered some kind of reverse Minority Report middle ground, where they don't have to prove you committed a crime. If there is reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed for you to own that Rolex, it's gone. Pos…

I think discussing people from wearing Rolexes is a social good.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Canada does a relatively good job integrating Muslims.

Canada is cracking down on immigration but they tend to attract higher education immigrants which even if they have a religion, they are more likely to be more secular in their day-to-day. Also, Canada publishes numbers on this and I fed it into Excel: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=981003... Muslims make up 10% of 2016 and later arrivals followed by 14.04% of their Non-permanent residents. Chr…

I wasn't trying to compare Sweden to Canada, just refute the argument it's impossible to integrate large numbers of Muslim immigrants into a Western population.

But since you brought it up, 14% of 1 million immigrants into a country with a 40M population is somewhat comparable to 80% of 100,000 immigrants to a 10M population country. And it's not 80%, the majority of Swedish immigrants are repatriating Swedes.

Maybe Sweden needs to start eating more Shawarma. It's super popular here in my part of Canada. Helps employ Arabs and acclimatizes Canadians to them.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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I'm not a fan of this law and expect it will end up being abused as much as civil forfeiture in the US. That said, it is interesting to see a stop and frisk law that actually targets wealthy people for once.

We’re already starting to see some weird consequences of a closely related law change that allows the authorities to immediately seize assets from people with unpaid debts. For example, there was a news report recently of a woman who lent her car to a friend who was in debt. He was stopped by the police and the car was seized. She complained and could prove she was the legal owner of the car. But that didn’t matter.…

Source? This seems absurd on its face

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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post #104

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We’re already starting to see some weird consequences of a closely related law change that allows the authorities to immediately seize assets from people with unpaid debts. For example, there was a news report recently of a woman who lent her car to a friend who was in debt. He was stopped by the police and the car was seized. She complained and could prove she was the legal owner of the car. But that didn’t matter.…

How far does that go to? If you rent a car and get stopped by police does that allow police to seize and sell the car? What if you are driving company car? Company plane?

just drove a company plane the other day, no issues

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Your first claim appears to be false. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coef...

You're looking at income inequality, not wealth inequality. While Sweden has relatively low income inequality, it has extremely high wealth inequality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_we...

Ah, excuse my imprecision!

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Is there a study I can read for this?

To stay on-topic and on-source: "[Gang violence] is concentrated in highly segregated immigrant neighbourhoods. In Husby, a suburb of Stockholm, more than 80% of the population are migrants or the children of migrants, most of them from Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Turkey." https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/11/28/why-sweden-strug... Do you have a counter-factual source showing that immigrants are not more violent in…

I don't. I did find a publication from the Swedish government about this: https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migra...

They say people with 2-foreign born parents are overrepresented in the statistics of crime suspects. Does that translate to guilty of crimes? Maybe, but I would place money that racism and discrimination especially in more homogenous societies plays a part. People generally are averse to change and it's understandable that they feel loss and apprehension when they see their society under transformation, especially by people who look different than them, dress differently, speak a different language and eat different foods. But immigration can be a gain in other ways.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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post #113

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We’re already starting to see some weird consequences of a closely related law change that allows the authorities to immediately seize assets from people with unpaid debts. For example, there was a news report recently of a woman who lent her car to a friend who was in debt. He was stopped by the police and the car was seized. She complained and could prove she was the legal owner of the car. But that didn’t matter.…

Source? This seems absurd on its face

Here’s public service’s summary: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/ebba-lanade-ut-bilen...

Apparently she has sued, but the authorities sold the car anyway, before the court made a decision: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sverige/ebba-25-lanade-ut-b...

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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It being a taboo topic prevents real discussion. The cause is a single genetically and socially society allowing mass immigration but not changing society to match the newcomers and/or not selecting newcomers based on culture similarities and/or not bridging the divide. When you make a mass immigration commitment you need to follow it up with tons of work/money/education/discussion. That's why it fails in Europe but…

Do you think the average Swede wanted mass immigration?

No I think the ruling class did. It was a bad decision to try to copy the US without the culture to support it.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re already starting to see some weird consequences of a closely related law change that allows the authorities to immediately seize assets from people with unpaid debts. For example, there was a news report recently of a woman who lent her car to a friend who was in debt. He was stopped by the police and the car was seized. She complained and could prove she was the legal owner of the car. But that didn’t matter.…

How far does that go to? If you rent a car and get stopped by police does that allow police to seize and sell the car? What if you are driving company car? Company plane?

Probably not. Swedish juris prudence is a bit illogical. Laws typically apply very differently depending on your social standing, and the discrepancy being illogical is usually not an effective counter argument.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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I'm not a fan of this law and expect it will end up being abused as much as civil forfeiture in the US. That said, it is interesting to see a stop and frisk law that actually targets wealthy people for once.

I can't read the article. But it doesn't seem to be targeting wealthy people. Because if you are known to be wealthy, then your luxury items can be explained.
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