Live data from Hacker News

The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

shreyans.org

111–120 of 260 posts

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#111
post #108
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is obviously extremely important who you choose to have children with. I completely agree. If I’d had kids in my 20s with my ex, I would have ended up with regrets for the rest of my life (not the kids, but my choice of with whom to have them). If I have kids now, there’s no chance I’d have regrets. It’s a very different timeline in my life, being in a non-abusive relationship after 8 years of being in one and lot…

I've been in such relationship once, albeit only few months. Took me few years to recover fully but it was a lifelong wakeup lesson and I started properly looking into psychology. Afterwards, no mysteries in the opposite camp anymore and straight to my wife now. How to handle various relationships and personalities should be mandatory psychology 101 somewhere around beginning of high school. It would make whole manki…

You’re right; I can’t predict the future.

But I have experience having gone through extremely difficult things with my wife; both of our dads were diagnosed with cancer this year, months apart. Our relationship started only a year before a pandemic. I went through a serious depressive phase. She was diagnosed with and has been (successfully) working through dealing with her C(omplex)-PTSD. I discovered I had ADHD, and have had it since I was a kid, and have gone through that self-discovery process.

Basically, you’re completely correct, but we’ve also discussed the fact that most partners do forget about one another when kids enter the picture, and we have promised not to; and to check in with each other constantly, as the risk of postpartum runs in her family (if that’s even a thing, and it isn’t just people in general).

It may help that she has been through many, many years of therapy on her own, and is also studying to get her masters in psychology to become an LPCC/LMFT.

She’s the strongest and most impressive person I’ve ever met. And I’ve met a lot of strong and impressive people.

So while the chance we end up hating each other isn’t zero, I’m pretty sure it’s as damn low as it can be, and I’m pretty fine with that as life decisions go. :)

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#112

I have four children. I have never regretted it or wished for a different path. I know it isn't for everyone, but it absolutely was and is for me. At the same time I do think articles like this should be countered with the reality that many fathers aren't overwhelmed with waves of love or "surreal magnificence". With each of my children being born the primary emotions I could point to were dread and anxiety. The sudd…

I’m 40, rich, coupled, live next door to my parents and close to my inlaws, have plenty of free time. I have no kids and no desire to have kids. My girlfriend is the same and plenty of our friends too. I’m very happy for people who have children and love them to bits, but many of just don’t want to.

And there isn’t anything wrong with that at all. Kids are, in my opinion, literally the only life choice you can’t walk away from having made. That is extremely high stakes, and not everyone has the appetite for it or desire to engage in it.

That doesn’t make anyone who has kids or wants to have kids better or worse. Plenty of people have kids and should not have, and they end up neglecting their kids or abusing them.

Have kids if you want to. Don’t if you don’t. Just realize that if you wait too long to make a choice, those options become much more limited and lean much more toward not having them. And if you make the choice without thinking, you’re just gambling, but you’re gambling with someone’s life, not to mention your own.

If it sounds scary… good. That means you’re thinking about it. You just have to decide if you want to do this particularly scary thing, and if the potential reward outweighs the risk.

And, I think it’s important to be okay with that choice changing in either direction. My wife didn’t want kids, and that opinion has changed, through no pushing of my own.

(The proverbial you, not you specifically, since it sounds like you’ve decided)

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#113
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel sorry for the mother or whoever was taking care of your child for the first 3 years. Someone has to guide the small children towards being functional human beings and it's a lot of work. I found they have interesting personalities and ways of expressing themselves by 1 at the latest.

One does the best one can. But I guess "intentionally detaching" doesn't convey the best. Even ignoring the extra work for the mother or whoever is actually providing the care, this conscious decision is not cost free for the future of the relationship with the child. It makes it harder to straighten the ship later.

> this conscious decision is not cost free for the future of the relationship with the child

Same for the relationship with the wife, they remember.

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#114
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you doing this? Friendly reminder that this is HackerNews; nobody is here (nor cares) to read your incoherent, unwelcome religious preach nor to argue religion - at all. That is not the topic of the article, there is nothing to do with religion in the article yet you feel it is your duty to solicit your irrelevant and frankly offensive religious beliefs onto others. I don't spew atheist thought unto christian…

We do it because we love Christ and love other people. We also enjoy meeting them, sharing our experiences, and so on. In this case, I saw a father writing enthusiastically about the wonders of children and fatherhood. I shared with him another perspective on it, the ability to have God in his life, and some advice from someone who thought similar to him. Just friendly discussion at that point. Most of my work here i…

I came to this post because it was about working on a project with your son—about fatherhood—and then I noticed someone had brought up lobsters. That reminded me of a day my son and I had planned for weeks: just the two of us, cooking lobsters over the firepit in the backyard. It was the kind of day where the process mattered as much as the meal. The fire crackled warmly as we salted the pot, the sun glinting off the shells of the lobsters we’d picked out that morning.

Then Larry, my brother-in-law, arrived.

Larry wasn’t exactly unwelcome. He had a knack for showing up unannounced, but most of the time, we didn’t mind. He’s a guy full of ideas and energy, and that can be great—just not always at the right time. His real challenge is understanding when the moment isn’t about him or his latest fixation. Today, it was marshmallows.

“You’re boiling lobsters?” Larry asked, strolling over with a bag of marshmallows dangling from one hand. His tone wasn’t accusatory, exactly—more like he’d stumbled upon a golden opportunity that we somehow hadn’t noticed.

“Yep,” I said, turning a lobster in the pot to make sure it cooked evenly. “It’s our thing. Lobster boil Sunday.”

Larry nodded, but he wasn’t listening. He was already holding up the bag of marshmallows like they were the answer to a question no one had asked. “You know what would really make this fun? Roasting these bad boys over the fire. Quick, easy, no mess. You get that perfect golden crust and—bam!—instant crowd-pleaser.”

I glanced at my son, who was tending the fire with the focus of someone trying very hard not to roll his eyes.

“We’re good, Larry,” I said. “We’ve got our lobsters, our butter, our lemon. That’s all we need.”

But Larry wasn’t done. “I get it,” he said, with the tone of someone who clearly didn’t get it. “You’ve got your little setup here. It’s cute. But marshmallows? Way simpler. And honestly, they’re just more fun. No one has to deal with… you know, lobsters. You ever think about how much work those things are?”

My son looked up at me, a faint smirk tugging at the corner of his mouth. “Do you even like lobster, Larry?” he asked.

Larry shrugged, already rummaging for sticks to skewer his marshmallows. “It’s not about what I like,” he said. “It’s about what’s… practical. You know, sometimes people get so stuck on their thing that they don’t see how much easier it could be.”

I took a deep breath, stirring the pot as the lobsters turned that bright, unmistakable red. “Larry, this isn’t about easy. It’s about the process. We like doing it this way.”

“Oh, sure, sure,” he said, his tone dripping with doubt. “But still, I think you’re missing out.” He waved a marshmallow-laden stick at us like a torch of wisdom. “These are the way to go. You’ll see.”

We didn’t.

My son and I turned back to our lobsters—cracking claws, dipping the meat into butter, savoring every bite. Larry sat to the side, roasting marshmallows in silence, looking vaguely put out that we hadn’t joined his impromptu campfire crusade.

When we’d finished, my son leaned back and sighed. “Best lobster yet,” he said with a grin.

I nodded, smiling. Larry watched us for a moment before finally saying, “You know, you could have had marshmallows and lobster.”

“Maybe next time,” I said, though we both knew there wouldn’t be a next time for that particular combination.

The thing about Larry—and people like him—isn’t that they’re wrong. Marshmallows are fine, in their place. But sometimes, the fire’s already lit for something else. Not every moment needs to be reimagined, repurposed, or improved upon. Sometimes, it’s enough to just cook lobsters with your son and enjoy what’s already there.

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#116
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> The vast majority of my belief system is or can trivially be peer-reviewed and reproduced. Not possible for you to know (more Faith...watch out for misdirection though). > but it's far less egregious than "sky-daddy says I should love, honor, and obey him - and most crucially give him MONEY as the almighty is somehow perpetually short on cash - so I can be saved". I will resist the urge to make up something about Y…

You are backing into a very common fallacy, Pascal's Wager. "If not the christian god, why not the flying spaghetti monster" is what this usually boils down to. Anything that is presented without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#117
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Handle checks out. When the mother breastfeeds, and dad just fills in around the cracks without directly “providing care” beyond holding the kiddo and changing diapers, how can they be judged for feeling aloof? When are they bonding? You should consider softening your tone, being a dad is fucking hard.

> When are they bonding?

All that time in between the breastfeeding? Somehow, this question does not compute for me (as a father of a breast-fed 8-month-old baby).

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#118
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you doing this? Friendly reminder that this is HackerNews; nobody is here (nor cares) to read your incoherent, unwelcome religious preach nor to argue religion - at all. That is not the topic of the article, there is nothing to do with religion in the article yet you feel it is your duty to solicit your irrelevant and frankly offensive religious beliefs onto others. I don't spew atheist thought unto christian…

We do it because we love Christ and love other people. We also enjoy meeting them, sharing our experiences, and so on. In this case, I saw a father writing enthusiastically about the wonders of children and fatherhood. I shared with him another perspective on it, the ability to have God in his life, and some advice from someone who thought similar to him. Just friendly discussion at that point. Most of my work here i…

So after you force a woman to give birth to an unwanted baby y'all Christians take care of both of them right?

I'm sorry but prayers aren't valid tender and cannot be exchanged for tangible necessities like food and shelter, it's almost 2025, we should be well past this.

Here's a real fun exercise you can try yourself - you'll need :

* A couple dollars

* Prayers

Now I want you to go to the grocery store and try to buy a loaf of bread with prayers, use the really good juicy ones!

Okay next, I want you to then repeat the same experiment but instead of prayers, use dollars.

See which one keeps you alive longer...

> only woman has a right to an opinion

I see what you did there, sneaky and typical christpilled behaviour. When it comes to women's rights, yes, it is one hundred percent their call. full stop.

Here's another fun one - go visit Africa and check the great work missionaries are doing spreading reprehensible speech that condoms are sacrilege and you can pray the AIDS away... do you see how harmful this is?

> Paper bills only in the collection plate folks, coins disrupt the service...

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#119

I have four children. I have never regretted it or wished for a different path. I know it isn't for everyone, but it absolutely was and is for me. At the same time I do think articles like this should be countered with the reality that many fathers aren't overwhelmed with waves of love or "surreal magnificence". With each of my children being born the primary emotions I could point to were dread and anxiety. The sudd…

> One of the reasons birthrates have plummeted in the West, and sentiments about having children have dropped, is that we have no "village", so to speak. Having children is not only an astronomical expense -- every single element of life is dramatically more expensive, made much worse with the housing crisis occurring in many Western nations -- a couple is often entirely on their own. There are no respites or breaks.…

And it is reflected in numbers. The fertility rate has a non-monotonous relationship with income. It is the middle-income fertility that plummets.

https://x.com/theHauer/status/1222514313723875332/photo/1

From "Population Pyramids Yield Accurate Estimates of Total Fertility Rates", https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s13524-019-00842-x?sh...

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

#120

I have four children. I have never regretted it or wished for a different path. I know it isn't for everyone, but it absolutely was and is for me. At the same time I do think articles like this should be countered with the reality that many fathers aren't overwhelmed with waves of love or "surreal magnificence". With each of my children being born the primary emotions I could point to were dread and anxiety. The sudd…

We don't have a village because no one has kids. The parents I know who are best supported are ones who have tons of siblings.
Post reply on HN