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Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Dec 04, 2024, 6:22 PM UTC

Schiendelman wrote: post #100

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #85

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> elected official would likely suffice For adjudicating traffic tolls? Why do you think election is going to produce a good outcome? Some jurisdictions would collect zero revenue while others would refuse any appeal on principle.

You're thinking one step on the line. If a jurisdiction refused appeals regularly, the elected official doing that would become more likely to get replaced.

> the elected official doing that would become more likely to get replaced

I’m saying there are jurisdictions where this would be desirable to voters. Any area where most tickets are issued to non-locals, for example. If I were running in those races, I’d advertise my zero clemency attitude towards outsiders tearing up our streets or whatever.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by plantwallshoe » Wed, Dec 04, 2024, 9:57 PM UTC

potato3732842 wrote: post #65

jeffbee wrote: post #61

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It's amazing how mechanized scofflaws believe they are uniquely above the law, and that dodging law enforcement is a personal victory. I think it's a sad commentary on the deterioration of public behavior in America (and this is almost exclusively an American thing ... in Germany a lifted Jeep would be seized and destroyed on its first day on the road.)

>It's amazing how mechanized scofflaws believe they are uniquely above the law, and that dodging law enforcement is a personal victory. I think it's a sad commentary on the deterioration of public behavior in America (and this is almost exclusively an American thing ... in Germany a lifted Jeep would be seized and destroyed on its first day on the road.) Don't be obtuse. It's not about the mechanization. It's about t…

It won’t be obtuse if a loved one were to be hit by this vehicle with a dangerously high bumper.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by ajb » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 1:38 AM UTC

zevets wrote: post #54

ajb wrote: post #25

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It's a bit older than that: "On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." - Charles Babbage

Babbage is wrong! He is answering what a computation engine will do, but not what a "wise" person would do, which is the _the_ test of AI. The goal of wisdom (and good teaching) is to first correct the faulty assumptions of the questioner that leads them to ask a bad question, and then once they ask a good question, then and _only_ then, provide the answer to the question.

I don't see how Baggage can be considered wrong here as such, when he's giving a simple statement of fact about himself. We don't know whether he attempted to elucidate the questioners assumptions.

However, I always wonder if the questioners might have suspected that the engine was a fake. The original Mechanical Turk was extent in around the same period, although I'm not sure when it's trick was uncovered.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by sagarm » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 4:48 AM UTC

jmspring wrote: post #97

jeffbee wrote: post #80

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists...

I didn't saw about quantity, just cyclists can be unpredictable - I bike several thousand miles a year. When I used to commute to San Francisco, my order of concern on the road was cyclists, muni, cabs, everyone else.

And yet drivers kill several dozen, permanently maim hundreds, and injured thousands every year in San Francisco alone. I only know of one case where a pedestrian died after being struck by a bicycle.