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Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by stouset »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #98
relyks wrote: post #20

This is pretty cool, but I feel as a pokehunter (Pokemon Go player), I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor. How? They consistently incentivize you to scan pokestops (physical locations) through "research tasks" and give you some useful items as rewards. The effort is usually much more significant than what you get in return, so I have stopped doing it. It's…

> and give you some useful items as rewards Were you tricked, or were you just poorly compensated for your time?

Frankly given the numbers of hours of entertainment most people got out of Pokémon Go, I suspect this might be one of the cases where people have been best compensated for their data collection.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by PittleyDunkin »

relyks wrote: post #20

This is pretty cool, but I feel as a pokehunter (Pokemon Go player), I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor. How? They consistently incentivize you to scan pokestops (physical locations) through "research tasks" and give you some useful items as rewards. The effort is usually much more significant than what you get in return, so I have stopped doing it. It's…

> I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor

You were playing a game without paying for it. How did you imagine they were making money without pimping your data?

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by PittleyDunkin »

RussianCow wrote: post #73
aqfamnzc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the modern internet. While you're at it, please get me access to Google's captcha models facebook face directory Google's GPS location data hoard, (most every android phone on the planet 24/7 (!) and any iPhone navigating with gmaps) And so on and so on All of which I've directly contributed to and never (directly) recieved anything in return

> All of which I've directly contributed to and never (directly) recieved anything in return To be fair, you received a service for free that you may have otherwise had to pay for. I'm not saying it's just, but to say you didn't get anything in return is disingenuous.

While you weren't paying for it with currency, the service is most certainly not "free". There's still a transaction happening when you use the service, albeit a transaction the service provider refuses to acknowledge outside the terms of service.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by mgiampapa »

PittleyDunkin wrote: post #112
relyks wrote: post #20

This is pretty cool, but I feel as a pokehunter (Pokemon Go player), I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor. How? They consistently incentivize you to scan pokestops (physical locations) through "research tasks" and give you some useful items as rewards. The effort is usually much more significant than what you get in return, so I have stopped doing it. It's…

> I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor You were playing a game without paying for it. How did you imagine they were making money without pimping your data?

Lots of people are spending a lot of money on in app purchases in these games already.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by [deleted] »

stouset wrote: post #111
AlwaysRock wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and give you some useful items as rewards Were you tricked, or were you just poorly compensated for your time?

Frankly given the numbers of hours of entertainment most people got out of Pokémon Go, I suspect this might be one of the cases where people have been best compensated for their data collection.

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Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by themingus »

urbandw311er wrote: post #83

> Today we have 10 million scanned locations around the world, and over 1 million of those are activated and available for use with our VPS service. We receive about 1 million fresh scans each week Wait, they get a million a week but they only have a total of 10 million, ie 10 days worth? Is this a typo or am I missing something?

It’s possible they meant 1 million frames from scans.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by ipsum2 »

PittleyDunkin wrote: post #112
relyks wrote: post #20

This is pretty cool, but I feel as a pokehunter (Pokemon Go player), I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor. How? They consistently incentivize you to scan pokestops (physical locations) through "research tasks" and give you some useful items as rewards. The effort is usually much more significant than what you get in return, so I have stopped doing it. It's…

> I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor You were playing a game without paying for it. How did you imagine they were making money without pimping your data?

Niantic made 700 million dollars last year, mostly selling virtual game items.

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by CaptainFever »

IsopropylMalbec wrote: post #101
try_the_bass wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which is totally unfair, every niantic player should have access to all the stuff because they collectively made it I don't understand this perspective. While all players may have collectively made this model possible, no individual player could make a model like it based on their contributions alone. Since no single player could replicate this outcome based on only their data, does it not imply that there's value…

What you say is fair but if an individual's data doesn't matter, what happens when they ask to have their data deleted under GDPR. is there a way to demux their data from existing models?

GDPR isn't a magic spell. It's only relevant for personally-identifiable data: https://gdpr.eu/eu-gdpr-personal-data/

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by PittleyDunkin »

try_the_bass wrote: post #91
ysofunny wrote: post #51

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> Google actually has released weights for some of their models, but judging by the fact that this model is potentially valuable, they likely will not allow Niantic for this which is totally unfair, every niantic player should have access to all the stuff because they collectively made it

> which is totally unfair, every niantic player should have access to all the stuff because they collectively made it I don't understand this perspective. While all players may have collectively made this model possible, no individual player could make a model like it based on their contributions alone. Since no single player could replicate this outcome based on only their data, does it not imply that there's value…

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