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To be fair we’ve been ruled by corporations for a while.
This is taking it to another level.
After all the other levels it's been taken to? Surely not!
Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
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Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
why are the doors electronically controlled to start with? is it cost savings?
They use frameless windows, so the electronic release slightly lowers them to avoid them scraping the door frame.
There were plenty of older frameless doors where the door itself opens mechanically and the window lowers slightly. A lot of the older subarus for example.
What's special about Tesla (or any of the other newer cars with full electrical door opening mechanisms) that makes this not an option?
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
That statistic is not controlling for the drivers. It's interesting, but it may be biased by who buys Tesla and how they drive. Similar to likely "cars with aggressive custom paint jobs have higher fatality rate".
Doesn’t matter if you’re getting in someone else’s car.
Maybe. Taxi drivers have different incentives/experience/routes than the other population. It may apply to them, or not. For ride share, the choice of Tesla may have been mainly economical for them.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#114> Tesla has faced criticism in the past for the design of its manual release levers, which are considered poorly designed and unintuitively placed. These emergency measures require intimate knowledge of the car, something that may not be feasible in a panic situation. First, how is this remotely legal? Are there not safety standards to ensure adults can easily exit a vehicle on fire? Second, regardless of regulations…
And now he's bought his way into US aristocracy so he can do whatevr he wants and no one can stop him. He doesn't like criticism from the NTHSB? Well he can deem the NTHSB "inefficient" and have it downsized and the leaders sacked. Does the FTC think he's lying about his self-driving claims? Well maybe the FTC is inefficient and he just makes a call to Trump and the DoJ won't be investigating anything either. The US…
This is completely true, but it does mean his cars will be unsellable elsewhere in the developed world.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is an "unlikely event" for any given passenger is nearly a 100% certainty for Tesla. The engineers and product managers who came up with that solution probably have trouble sleeping at night these days.
I bet they wanted something more obvious but were overridden by someone who wanted to keep the vehicle sleek and futuristic. If so, it's the worst kind of "I told you so" :/
But who at Tesla would do that?
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
They use frameless windows, so the electronic release slightly lowers them to avoid them scraping the door frame.
There were plenty of older frameless doors where the door itself opens mechanically and the window lowers slightly. A lot of the older subarus for example. What's special about Tesla (or any of the other newer cars with full electrical door opening mechanisms) that makes this not an option?
> What's special about Tesla (or any of the other newer cars with full electrical door opening mechanisms) that makes this not an option?
Cost-cutting, mostly.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#117Another similar incident happened around a week after that one: https://www.channel3000.com/news/dane-county-sheriffs-office... . One thing to note is that the car doors in Teslas are electrically controlled and a different failsafe method of opening the doors is required when the electrical system isn't working. Here's the steps for manually opening the Model Y's rear doors (car in the story the post links to): http…
Someone on Mastodon pointed out that not all Model Ys even have the manual release. I didn't believe this could be true - how could regulators allow this? But it's actually listed on the Model Y page ( https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C... ): "Note Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors." Not sure what the distribution is or whether it's just an "old v…
Some countries may not require it, though it does seem pretty suspicious to omit that, regardless of what regulatory quirks there are in the world.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#118Don't trust software engineers to handle edge cases and failure modes
Or teach them? Risk management is something any (and every) engineer should learn
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Secondly, it is the coupling of electronic controls with unintuitive manual backups that create the danger.
> Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Do you have a source? Genuinely interested. From the little reading I've done Tesla seem to have put quite a bit of thought in to making their cars perform well in crash tests so it seems surprising that they'd have a high fatality rate.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Tesla has the highest fatality rate, so that is ruled out! :) Do you have a source? Genuinely interested. From the little reading I've done Tesla seem to have put quite a bit of thought in to making their cars perform well in crash tests so it seems surprising that they'd have a high fatality rate.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-ha...
Isn’t it missing the death aspect ?