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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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> every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. You don't do much towing, do you?

99.9% of drivers will never tow anything in their life.

> 99.9% of drivers

I think you've just made that up; however, I am willing to stipulate that 99.9% of Hacker News posters will never tow anything. I always forget how out of touch the audience here is.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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I wonder what percentage are autopilot driving into things?

I would also like to know this. How many fatal crashes happened where autopilot was engaged in the 30 seconds prior to a fatal accident?

By definition, if the autopilot has disengaged it’s a more dangerous situation, so it is fair to place the blame on it. A relief pitcher doesn’t get charged with earned runs he inherits.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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post #41

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I think a lot of people would be happy to use it if it was convenient and reliable. I live in NYC and haven’t had to drive to/from work in over a decade. I consider the subway ride a vast, vast improvement over driving… but only when the subway works right.

The vast majority of people I talk to, including myself, don't use public transportation for: 1. Time. For example, my commute is 25 minutes, but 2 hours ride and three mile walk by public transport. 2. Safety, intimately tied to the homeless problem. 3. Cleanliness. In my experience, related to #2, and the fact that government institutions are incapable of caring about user experience, because they get funding regar…

It's kind of boring to respond to a comment about public transit needing to work well by complaining about how it doesn't. Especially when limiting investment has often been an explicit choice in whatever given area.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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> and loaded with features "Ludicrous mode." > the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. It's actually alcohol and drugs. Which is the reason those drivers find themselves in the trees.

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Actually that would be Texas. Texas has more road fatalities than California. This is _not_ per capita, but in total, which is an interesting statistical point in and of itself.

The data is really easy to get. I wish more people would avail themselves of it.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

What makes sense to me is the top 3 cars:

Tesla - autopilot that really isn't, gets fooled in many situations, driver lulled into not paying attention, can't react quickly enough when the computer bails, and ends up driving into a bridge abutment at 75mph.

Kia - cheap cars built to minimum safety standards driven by young people who aren't very experienced drivers.

Buick - cars driven by geriatrics whose declines in vision and reaction speed probably should have resulted in their licenses being revoked five years ago but who still insist on driving themselves.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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> You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy Being heavy is actually a safety feature of sort (but just for the people inside the car, it increases overall fatality).

Trees are anchored to the ground. Being heavier just reduces your ability to stop.

Decreases your tendency to flip over. I'm astonished by all the dashcam videos out there showing collisions, usually the first thing an ice car does is flip over. Not EVs though.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Trees are anchored to the ground. Being heavier just reduces your ability to stop.

Maybe that's good when hitting a tree? Slower deceleration, less force.

I think they meant that it's more difficult to stop before beginning to impact the tree.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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> and loaded with features "Ludicrous mode." > the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. It's actually alcohol and drugs. Which is the reason those drivers find themselves in the trees.

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> Well this touched a nerve.

It's just a little funny you think California is unique in this regard. Pretty much all of the US is extremely underdeveloped when it comes to public transportation. Hillbillies in the boonies have to drive a lot too.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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> We really need to get serious about improving our transportation infrastructure. Better yet, we really need to consider urbanization. That way everything you need is right there by your own two feet. No need for any extra special transportation at all. It seems people have a burning desire to live the rural lifestyle, though, even in so-called cities. I'm not sure we can actually overcome that pressure.

Many of us simply don't want to live in expensive urbanized environments (especially in more desirable ones)--at least at many points in our lives, so yeah no.

Urbanization decreases costs.
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