Ah, but a workaround is a regional co-op not necessarily tied to a city or county. gvec.net is one example around hill country in TX.
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#112And this won't change for at least the next 4 years. Regulatory capture is a bitch.
Money in politics is root cause of most politically-caused problems.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
> WWAN did leap-frog WLAN with 5G and especially with ultra-wideband > Until I installed 6GHz Wi-Fi So after you upgraded your WLAN it was faster than your WAN until you bothered upgrading your WLAN. That's a personal deployment decision not necessarily a matter of what was or wasn't' available at the time. >1G WiFi existed years before ultra-wideband was a thing.
The first phone to ship with ultra-wideband was the iPhone 11 in 2019, and the first phone to ship with 6GHz was the Galaxy S21 Ultra in 2021. The Intel AX210 was the first wireless card to ship with 6GHz at the end of 2020 and the first laptop to include it from MSI shipped in 2021. Calling WiFi 6 >1G is a pretty far stretch. I don't think I've seen a real world test that breaks that barrier in favorable conditions,…
> I've also tested 160 MHz channels, which quickly run into the ~930 Mbps TCP throughput limit of a gigabit Ethernet connection, but perform worse at range. I'll cover 160 MHz channels and 2.5 Gbps Ethernet in more depth when the U6-Enterprise leaves early access
So yeah, when the author limits the tests to 1Gb. Who would have expected those results.
I've had >1G WiFi 5 networks in operation since 2018. It didn't require 6Ghz.
Your equipment or your environment may not have enabled it, but it was around.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Unimaginable in the US With good reason. Building codes in the US prevent disasters like the one that happened at Grenfell Towers in the UK. Run plenum-rated wires through an appropriate space for safety's sake.
Yeah, one of the things that makes disasters impossible in the US is that we have real Professional Engineers with Iron Rings doing everything. If you don’t have an iron ring, you can’t really understand what it takes to build a thing in the real world. You can play with your software or whatever but you’re not going to reliably change the real world. Even Ghost Ship had no iron rings present. That’s what got them. Y…
Iron rings is for Canadian engineers.
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#115Just another reminder U.S. is not a real democracy
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#116Linked from the OP: https://www.newamerica.org/weekly/how-did-north-dakota-becom... IIRC, North Dakota, despite its Republican voting record, is actually pretty socialist (including a few legitimately state-owned companies).
They also have a state owned bank. ND once had a very strong "Democratic Farmer Labor party". Not to get into R vs D here, as the parties have flip flopped a lot since then & the Limbaugh movement changed the state from a very purple state (all Congress members were D in the 80s-90s). The only way you win in the state now is with a R next to your name, so the Rs are having an identity crisis. The real good call out i…
> They also have a state owned bank. ND once had a very strong "Democratic Farmer Labor party". Not to get into R vs D here, as the parties have flip flopped a lot since then & the Limbaugh movement changed the state from a very purple state (all Congress members were D in the 80s-90s). The only way you win in the state now is with a R next to your name, so the Rs are having an identity crisis.
Minnesota had the DFL. North Dakota had the NPL.
Yeah, I think the intrusion of national political culture has been pretty toxic everywhere. IIRC, Heitkamp, the last ND Democrat, lost (or at least had some trouble), because she had to hem and haw on abortion to appease her out-of-state donors and could not adapt to local circumstances. Didn't really follow that election too closely, so I don't really know what else was going on.
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#117A hundred years ago on irc someone from Russia was describing their internet connection, which was ethernet, while I had only ever heard of dial up outside of large companies. It was just people had set up their own hubs and switches in their appartment buildings and strung cables between buildings. This blew my mind. They just ran themselves ethernet and everyone got a drop from a switch in their building. It wasn't…
That's how I learned the limits of hub cascades ;) Add collision domains on top and you are in not-funny-land.
IPv6 will fix that ;)
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, one of the things that makes disasters impossible in the US is that we have real Professional Engineers with Iron Rings doing everything. If you don’t have an iron ring, you can’t really understand what it takes to build a thing in the real world. You can play with your software or whatever but you’re not going to reliably change the real world. Even Ghost Ship had no iron rings present. That’s what got them. Y…
Iron rings is for Canadian engineers.
But they were, all of them, deceived for another ring was made.
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It is very hard for me to imagine space-based internet ever being able to be competitive financially with an earth-based option outside of special circumstances.
Running an LEO satellite constellation is very expensive. But installing and maintaining a wire to everyone's house is also very expensive. IMHO, it's a question of capacity and acceptable service levels. Starlink monthly pricing is higher than my DSL and nearby cable as well as my local muni fiber. But it's not so much higher as to rule it out. And the install fee is a lot lower than muni fiber. It's going to take a…
But wires aren’t the only terrestrial option.
I can’t fathom how many satellites it would take to support all the internet users as a monopoly.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
The code is just as bought and paid for by the materials manufactuers in the US as it is anywhere else. They get fiery but mostly peaceful apartment building siding, we get spray foam and rotten roofs.
Polyurethane spray foam is pretty damn fiery in most conditions, even if the right number of carcinogenic flame retardants can limit open flame spread on a surface. It's also got the most toxic, thick sort of smoke of the available options, other than the polyiso in Grenfall. There are two inherently fire-safe, inexpensive insulation options, borated cellulose and mineral wool. You can even use them as fire-stops. Ne…
Fire departments generally love foam because while it does burn it fills entire spaces and prevents fire spread and limits exhaust of combustion byproducts (which limits oxygen intake on the other end). What would have been total losses turn into minor repair and smoke damage rehab. I'm still not a fan though.