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Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by illiac786 »

pc86 wrote: post #74
jltsiren wrote: post #57

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In a stable democracy, whenever there are elections, the losers accept that the elections were fair and they lost. If there are reasons to believe that the elections were not fair, or if the losers refuse to admit that the elections were fair and they lost, the system is unstable. Peaceful transition of power is the most important factor in the long-term stability of any system of governance. Whenever a leader loses…

He left office. He wasn't kicked out (other than the election of course), it's not like Secret Service had to drag him out of the Oval. He left. He also went through the whole process again and we know how that turned out. To imply that the US is an "unstable democracy" is laughable.

Let’s see if we still laugh in a couple of years…

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by akimbostrawman »

mschuster91 wrote: post #16
huijzer wrote: post #6

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Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

> You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Yeah, like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? The far-right, no matter if we are talking about the US, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentinia, Israel or the UK, has clearly stated what they want to do, and they have shown in more than enough cases (Argentinia, USA, UK) that they are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus for…

>like stripping away LGBT rights

Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Determination_Act_(Germ...

I think crazy people is very fitting.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by imtringued »

ziotom78 wrote: post #87
tcfhgj wrote: post #70

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Very vague content free statement. Best is subjective, some care about human rights, some care about their children, some care about people other than themselves and others don't care and frame everything they don't care about as ideology.

I am not the OP, but comparing the following news reveals a lot of bad ideology. https://www.politico.eu/article/nuclear-reactors-germany-inv... https://montelnews.com/news/652d5434-12f1-459b-bec5-8c1236f3...

Here are the devastating results of that bad ideology:

https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/renewable_share/chart....

https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l...

https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l...

https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l...

https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l...

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by mschuster91 »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #113
mschuster91 wrote: post #16

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> You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Yeah, like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? The far-right, no matter if we are talking about the US, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentinia, Israel or the UK, has clearly stated what they want to do, and they have shown in more than enough cases (Argentinia, USA, UK) that they are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus for…

>like stripping away LGBT rights Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Determination_Act_(Germ... I think crazy people is very fitting.

> Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality.

First of all, that's Germany, not the US. Second, the only people who will realistically be using this right are trans people whose legal situation has been defined by a very old law that has been partially declared unconstitutional multiple times for years now.

Of course, there will be trolls abusing it - but it's expensive, so TBH I do not expect more than a dozen dumbasses going through with it. Even name change after a marriage is a huge fucking deal of bureaucracy. I went through that one just a year ago. Banks, authorities, association memberships of all kinds, billing changes for tons of services, new name => new card => new CC number, probably the associated effort cost me well over 5000€ if I include the value of my time, and probably around 1000€ in travel (dual citizenship) and fees for new documents. And for fucks sake it's a smokescreen anyway. There was nothing stopping creeps from invading women's toilets, installing cameras or outright raping women before, and such cases were on the regular. The new SBGG changes absolutely nothing, sexual coercion, rape and other abusive behavior were and will remain crimes.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by mschuster91 »

throw310822 wrote: post #105
protimewaster wrote: post #82

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It seems strange to associate abortion as something only the left cares about. It's been a very big talking point for the right for a long time.

I agree, I also think it's fundamentally different from other "minority" rights. Anyway, I think the state referendums have proven the voters are going to defend abortion, whatever the right says about it.

> I agree, I also think it's fundamentally different from other "minority" rights.

Both result in completely preventable deaths. In the case of LGBT in massive youth suicide rates compared to non-LGBT youth, in the case of abortion bans deaths from medical complications of which there have been a few very widely publicised cases since Roe v Wade fell.

> Anyway, I think the state referendums have proven the voters are going to defend abortion, whatever the right says about it.

The problem is, when the federal government does things like revoke the certification of mifepristone (abortion pill) or levonorgestrel (plan b), there's jack shit the states can do. If they go and classify it as scheduled drugs, grey-importing or shipping it around the country will be a serious federal crime now.

And yes, that is the strategy. They already tried with mifepristone [1], they will try again now that they actually control the FDA and can just do it themselves instead of asking for a court order, and plan b is already dropping massively due to restrictions of states [2].

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2qq1wqw3w2o

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-26/plan-b-us...

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by akimbostrawman »

mschuster91 wrote: post #115
akimbostrawman wrote: post #113

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>like stripping away LGBT rights Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Determination_Act_(Germ... I think crazy people is very fitting.

> Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality. First of all, that's Germany, not the US. Second, the only people who will realistically be using this right are trans people whose legal situation has been defined by a very old law that has been partially declared unconstitutional multiple times for year…

None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal not to mention that there is a monumental difference between illegally installing cameras and being legally physically in women spaces. If you want to play dress up and be called something else good for you but forcing people by law to lie is tyranny.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by mschuster91 »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #117
mschuster91 wrote: post #115

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> Not even a week ago a new law was signed that enables anyone to legally change there sex yearly while making it a finable offense up to 10.000€ to state reality. First of all, that's Germany, not the US. Second, the only people who will realistically be using this right are trans people whose legal situation has been defined by a very old law that has been partially declared unconstitutional multiple times for year…

None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal not to mention that there is a monumental difference between illegally installing cameras and being legally physically in women spaces. If you want to play dress up and be called something else good for you but forcing people by law to lie is tyranny.

> None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal.

Recognizing that trans people exist in reality and providing them legal backing for it is not new. Trans (or gender-nonconforming, third gender or whatever you want to call it) people have been a thing for millennia. Even back in old Greece their existence was recognized [1], the Talmud has regulations on their status in society [2], various Southern Asian countries have some sort of legal recognition for them for centuries [3].

"Reality" is a societal definition, and nature alone provides a lot of interesting edge cases such as various sport stars who pass for females in all aspects including having vaginas but have chromosome sets (or hormonal levels) typically associated with males.

[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos

[2] https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by akimbostrawman »

mschuster91 wrote: post #119
akimbostrawman wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal not to mention that there is a monumental difference between illegally installing cameras and being legally physically in women spaces. If you want to play dress up and be called something else good for you but forcing people by law to lie is tyranny.

> None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal. Recognizing that trans people exist in reality and providing them legal backing for it is not new. Trans (or gender-nonconforming, third gender or whatever you want to call it) people have been a thing for millennia. Even back in old Greece their existence was recognized [1], the Talmud has regulations on their status in society [2], various Southern Asi…

>"Reality" is a societal definition

Reality can be whatever crazy people want it to be

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