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Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.

Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…

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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#112
post #31

Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.

Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…

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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#114
post #31

Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.

Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…

Removing US based kernel maintainers from positions in which they could conceivably help insert a backdoor into the kernel hopefully removes the incentive for the US government to threaten (or carry out) horrific violence against these individuals and their families.

cough xz cough

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That freedom means giving enemies unfettered access to our most sensitive systems? Do you imply that Linux is a technology controlled by Western state actors? > I would like to remind you of the recent XZ utils backdoor into SSH contributed by a less than friendly nation state. Would you support a backdoor contributed by a friendly nation state?

I didn't say "western"! Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea... and everybody else. I can deploy an Azure or AWS cloud server right now in any one of several dozen nations, including Malaysia, Indonesia, Chile, Qatar, Israel, and Mexico. I can't deploy VMs in Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea. Not just because of sanctions, but because they don'…

>Russia, China, Iran, North Korea... and everybody else.

BRICS meeting is currently happening in Russia and the leaders who gathered there represent more than a half of world's population: "Putin returns to world stage hosting 36 leaders at Brics summit in Russia"[0].

>I can't deploy VMs in Russia

Really? You are welcome to click "Start your trial period" at Yandex Cloud. [1]

>Similarly, I can't buy property, start a business, buy shares directly

Of course you can.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/22/putin-brics...

[1] https://yandex.cloud/en/

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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did banning plastic straws in a few US cities fix climate change and pollution? >The access Russia currently enjoys is the equivalent of Goebbels being allowed to anonymously publish front-page editorials in the Times there's absolutely nothing you can do about this to prevent this. troll farms can afford residential VPNs and can network with the US/EU via neighboring neutral countries or their overseas agents. >whil…

> how do you know that John Johnson contributing code to some widely-used library is not Ivan Ivanson, a KGB sleeper agent?

Because his name is "Jia Tan" so he must be chinese. /s

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#117
post #31

Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.

Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…

Either country can also say: "we have this law that requires people to help law enforcement agencies to implement backdoo^W special technical measures to advance national security interests, and also a gag order because it's a matter of national security".

I think Australia had something called Technical Capability Notices (TCNs) back in 2018? For legal entities for sure, not sure about hobbyists.

The last paragraph also makes the whole situation sound like someone cares for Russian developers' well-being. I highly doubt it was ever the intention.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#118
post #74

If it is because of national security concerns, will Israelis and Chinese lose kernel maintainership status as well?

> If it is because of national security concerns, will Israelis and Chinese lose kernel maintainership status as well?

Some of them, yes, some of them, no. /s

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#119
post #108

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I think it's more likely that everyone will forget in a few days and we will never know. Maybe there will be few more random bans. I highly doubt anyone banned will even try to send "sufficient documentation". The wording is as vague and arbitrary as it gets, and the underlying tone sounds to me not like "we have such and such requirements", but like "some Russian-sounding names are banned, but we still have to demon…

> Banks are fined for not having processes for detecting money laundering. Not money laundering, mind it, just having "inadequate" processes. If such a process flags someone, that someone is blocked and they should provide "sufficient documents", Isn't that how most compliance regulation works? You can't force companies to have a perfect record of preventing something, no matter how you structure things, so instead o…

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think so. For example, there is no penalty for not having an accountant on payroll. But there are some for not keeping adequate records. I suspect it's irrelevant whether you have a full-time accountant so your records are always in order, or if you do nothing all year and hire someone for a big overhaul each December and also every time authorities need something.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That freedom means giving enemies unfettered access to our most sensitive systems? Do you imply that Linux is a technology controlled by Western state actors? > I would like to remind you of the recent XZ utils backdoor into SSH contributed by a less than friendly nation state. Would you support a backdoor contributed by a friendly nation state?

I didn't say "western"! Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea... and everybody else. I can deploy an Azure or AWS cloud server right now in any one of several dozen nations, including Malaysia, Indonesia, Chile, Qatar, Israel, and Mexico. I can't deploy VMs in Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea. Not just because of sanctions, but because they don'…

> Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two

Someone who is so dependent on media images that he declares them unquestionable truths in advance is probably unqualified to reason about propaganda.

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