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Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by Sakos »

rcarmo wrote: post #59
rcarmo wrote: post #43

I honestly don't see the issue here (Full disclosure: I work for Microsoft, but in professional services, not in product - and nevertheless fully expect to be downvoted to oblivion). If these aren't finished, that most likely means that they still haven't stabilized enough to go through the full support and release pipeline--that usually means documenting them, publishing a couple of reference development samples, do…

Yep, downvoted to oblivion alright. Took all of five minutes, and doesn't reflect at all well on radical HN folk's ability to empathize with people working hard to ship actual product.

You working hard doesn't change the facts. Velocity doesn't excuse anti-competitive behavior. I would've thought the DoJ case against Microsoft would've taught you that you can't just do whatever you want because it's convenient for you, especially when it has an effect on your competitors.

This isn't about feelings. This is about a multi-billion dollar corporation doing whatever it wants, yet again, to the detriment of other players in the market. Empathy doesn't have a place here.

It really is tiring to see people who earn hundreds of thousands a year crying about a lack of empathy. What a joke.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by Etheryte »

ghuntley wrote: post #64
rty32 wrote: post #10

Very interestingly, just yesterday I discovered that VSCode has a set of APIs for adding SSH tunneling, and under normal circumstances you must launch vscode with special flags to be able to use them. Somehow their built-in JavaScript debugging extension can use these APIs without any issues. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/blob/main/src/vscode-dts... And you can hardly find any public information about these API…

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I have discovered a truly marvelous reason for them being private, which this margin is too narrow to contain [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem#Fermat...

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by MadnessASAP »

gavinray wrote: post #17
frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

Seems like the only sensible comment in this thread so far. Here's what I imagine it's like working on the Copilot team: > Mgmt: "We need this feature, and we need in 2 weeks." > Devs: "That feature is not technically possible." > Mgmt: "Well, figure out a way to make it possible. That's _your_ problem."

That is exactly the sort of management that has landed many a company in hot mater before, including Microsoft.

Whether the managers remain ignorant by malice of incompetence is irrelevant. Directing your subordinate to do something that they should reasonably know would break the law or be anticompetitive is still illegal.

The see no evil defense is a piss poor defense that is more likely going to be used to show you knew exactly what was going on.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by nosioptar »

frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

> Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices.

I think its fair to assume anticompetitive intent due to their history of anticompetitive behavior. Admittedly, in old enough to remember the crap they pulled all through the 90s.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by rvz »

Extend to Extinguish - Round 3. [0][1]

VS Code + GitHub + OpenAI exclusivity deals + Copilot = The best tools available for close to free.

To use the latest features they will only be found on MS branded tools like the ones above.

With the competition getting eliminated with total MS coverage of the developer ecosystem with almost everyone sitting on GitHub using VSCode and OpenAI.

Monopoly with close to no competition all without any regulatory scrutiny has been achieved internally. With the extending being the extinguish.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38280513

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34612959

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by rcarmo »

Sakos wrote: post #111
rcarmo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, downvoted to oblivion alright. Took all of five minutes, and doesn't reflect at all well on radical HN folk's ability to empathize with people working hard to ship actual product.

You working hard doesn't change the facts. Velocity doesn't excuse anti-competitive behavior. I would've thought the DoJ case against Microsoft would've taught you that you can't just do whatever you want because it's convenient for you, especially when it has an effect on your competitors. This isn't about feelings. This is about a multi-billion dollar corporation doing whatever it wants, yet again, to the detriment…

Why are you making this personal? Do you know me? Do you know where I live, or how much I really earn?

(Spoilers: One of the ass-ends of Europe, not that much - _certainly_ not anywhere near what my US counterparts earn, even "adjusted" to local terms)

Or do you hate Microsoft so much that you think that frees you from, you know, having basic human decency?

I suppose you've found this to be great excuse to go on a crusade and avoid having a civil discussion with another person (and, to be honest, insulting them in the process). Bravo.

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