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MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by idunnoman1222 »

hypeatei wrote: post #82
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Just use Linux bro (Suspend still doesn’t wake consistently on my thinkpad it’s been 20 years)

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#112

Post by idunnoman1222 »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #110
vundercind wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

The real question is why is every other company with a consumer OS even more incompetent and/or malicious?

“ Every other company “

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#113

Post by idunnoman1222 »

throw73484858 wrote: post #94
hypeatei wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Because Linux is soo hard to use. You have to use supported hardware (like with any other OS), and once a year paste a few commands into terminal.

Your Wi-Fi drivers have been removed from the kernel. Please download them on USB stick. You were warned

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by idunnoman1222 »

userbinator wrote: post #104
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall Windows has also been doing that for some time now. Only Linux is relatively "clean" from that perspective, but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware. The enshittification of OSes continues...

Please tell me that upgrading fedora versions works every time ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#116

Post by RMPR »

userbinator wrote: post #104
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall Windows has also been doing that for some time now. Only Linux is relatively "clean" from that perspective, but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware. The enshittification of OSes continues...

> but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware.

Citation needed. I remember Ubuntu sneaking in some stuff a couple of years ago[0], but most of the mainstream distros have a clean track record. What are you referring to exactly?

0: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-data-collection-o...

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by fsflover »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #110
vundercind wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

The real question is why is every other company with a consumer OS even more incompetent and/or malicious?

What's incompetent about Linux? Have you tried to buy preinstalled?

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by appendix-rock »

hypeatei wrote: post #82
thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#119

Post by fsflover »

idunnoman1222 wrote: post #111
hypeatei wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Just use Linux bro (Suspend still doesn’t wake consistently on my thinkpad it’s been 20 years)

Suspend is flawless on my Librem 14.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by diggan »

nubinetwork wrote: post #95

The article has today's date on it, but I could swear I read this exact same article a month ago...

From September 13, 2023:

> During the macOS 14 Sonoma beta period Apple introduced a bug in the macOS firewall, packet filter (PF). This bug prevents our app from working, and can result in leaks when some settings (e.g. local network sharing) are enabled. We cannot guarantee functionality or security for users on macOS 14, we have investigated this issue after the 6th beta was released and reported the bug to Apple. Unfortunately the bug is still present in later macOS 14 betas and the release candidate.

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/bug-in-macos-14-sonoma-prevents-...

Was fixed September 22, 2023 it seems (https://mullvad.net/en/blog/macos-14-sonoma-firewall-bug-fix...).

Seems like Apple's product/engineering department doesn't agree with the marketing department about how important their users privacy is.

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