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Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/h02jl4/lets_sa... I found this reddit thread from /r/DataHoarder about backing up the internet archive particularly interesting, given the circumstances

It's been tried several times, but it's hard because it's such a massive quantity of data. The IPFS backup never really got off the ground.

They have their own backups which I think is good enough for now unless someone plans on donating a few hundred million.

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A demonstration of what collateral damage actually means. The bracker was a terrorist so we killed the candle stick makers family.

I think the existing collateral damage examples were pretty actual already. By burying terrorist headquarters under civilian apartment buildings, Hezbollah guarantees collateral damage.

The type of logic leads to schools in the US being valid targets so long as a drone pilot drops off their kids to school on the way to work.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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A demonstration of what collateral damage actually means. The bracker was a terrorist so we killed the candle stick makers family.

I think the existing collateral damage examples were pretty actual already. By burying terrorist headquarters under civilian apartment buildings, Hezbollah guarantees collateral damage.

Does this extend to putting a military base next to a shopping mall?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaKirya

What’s the permissible distance in a three mile wide strip of land among the most densely populated in the world?

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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No one gets extradited when the attack aligns with US interests abroad.

What weird conspiracy is this? US interests dont involve taking down archive.org

There is no US, there are just a bunch of interest groups. Some interest group definitely wants IA down. I wouldn't be surprised this is a paid attack.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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That's a strange thing to read on Hacker news. Isn't that description the definition of hack value? As in http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hack-value.html Now, it depends what the "it" is referring to here, but so far all I've heard is about an alert() message saying the usernames will be sent to a breach alerting site. If they're doing it just for the heck of it, it's still costing a lot of people a lot of time tha…

There is a big difference between doing something for pure curiosity, love, or exploration and doing something directly harmful to other people for the same reasons. One is art; the other is sadism.

I'm not sure that placing free long distance calls isn't harmful to the org whose infrastructure you're using for your own benefit, but 2600 (Hz) is a respected hacker magazine and phreaking and Cap'n crunch whistles are seen as cool

Hacking the Internet Archive and only placing an alert with a provocative message, I could see my teenage self do that. My judgment of the character is going to depend on what it turns out they've actually done

Of course, my grown up self (or late teen also, as I've done responsible disclosures back then as well) would rather have seen them do a coordinated vulnerability disclosure, but alas, I just meant to remark upon the "special place in hell" for not having a plan or motive bit

*Edit:* wait, I just saw in the article (I opened the thread before the link was changed) that this quote refers to a DDoS, not the alert() message that the thread was initially about

> the site was experiencing a DDoS attack, posting on Mastodon that “According to their twitter, they’re doing it just to do it.

That's indeed just destructive and not related to (hacker) curiosity...

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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100%. https://x.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1844080692772401399?t=j3xDz... This Twitter account is suspicious and odd. I don't think anyone doing this is stupid enough to actually believe that they're doing it to "help Palestine." Seems like a job by Israel or supporting countries pretending to be supporters of Palestine.

Are you suggesting something similar along the lines of murdering your own citizens and showcasing them as victims? Something akin to 911 being an insider job?

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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No one gets extradited when the attack aligns with US interests abroad.

What weird conspiracy is this? US interests dont involve taking down archive.org

People in other parts of the thread say it's Israel. (Which certainly is "aligned with US interests abroad", as the powerful see it anyway). I think it is ridiculous conspiracism, right now anything anyone doesn't like they think Israel is behind it.

The crazy rise of conspiracism in our society in general, combined with Israel really is doing some nasty stuff (but not controlling everything you don't like), combined with the latent antisemitism in most conspiracism.

And I say this as a strong supporter of and activist on Palestinian rights and liberation. Free Palestine. (But there is no reasonable reason to think Israel is behind an IA hack. Or the fact that your mail came late, or anything else except what they're actually doing which is bad enough. Call your senators and tell them to vote for Bernie's JRD resolutions).

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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100%. https://x.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1844080692772401399?t=j3xDz... This Twitter account is suspicious and odd. I don't think anyone doing this is stupid enough to actually believe that they're doing it to "help Palestine." Seems like a job by Israel or supporting countries pretending to be supporters of Palestine.

What is the connection? I don’t understand how this would help either Isreal or Palestine?

We have an entire generation of activists who have somehow been programmed into believing that disruptive, moronic, antisocial acts of “protest” are a way to effect change, whether it’s vandalizing historic artwork or blockading a freeway. And the Internet Archive is even a museum of sorts, so you can see how the rationale would track.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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I think the existing collateral damage examples were pretty actual already. By burying terrorist headquarters under civilian apartment buildings, Hezbollah guarantees collateral damage.

Does this extend to putting a military base next to a shopping mall? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaKirya What’s the permissible distance in a three mile wide strip of land among the most densely populated in the world?

To be fair, the base was there long before any residential development nearby, and the part that is near residential development is simply offices.
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