If you like WordPress and want to use it to create a static site, you can. 1. Run a local installation of WordPress on your PC. For one option, see localwp.com (no affiliation). 2. Use WordPress to design whatever website you want, using almost any WordPress plugins you want. Just don't make any calls for time-varying external resources! 3. Use one of the WordPress plugins for exporting a WordPress site as a static s…
The Static Site Paradox
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#112There is no paradox at all: simplicity is beautiful but complexity sells. The author thinks that value come from realized utility. However, in most market segments, value came from perception. With complexity (even useless ones), you can boost perceived value. How do you impress people when all the greatness is under the hood? I use several SSGs and wrote one myself. I still can't recommend any SSG to people willing…
> The author thinks that value come from realized utility. For the majority of the world, Wordpress indeed does provide more utility than an SSG. Wordpress is famous for their 5 minute installs, and then everything just works .
Also, the article is about fully managed Wordpress vs self-hosted (or PaaS hosted) SSG. If the choice is between self-hosted Wordpress vs self-hosted SSG, I bet the outcome will be very different.
Now, you may wonder why the OP was not make an apple to apple comparison, like fully managed Wordpress vs fully managed SSG. Well, fully managed SSG does not exists, because it won't sell!
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here you go:
In an ideal world yes. But from past experience many users have the association for mailto links misconfigured. It's a terrible user experience.
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#115> And so, while we software engineers enjoy free hosting & custom domain support with GitHub Pages / Cloudflare Pages / etc Oh come on! You don't really expect that to last, do you? Learned back in 2004 that it's better to pay than to rely on free services. I pay for source code repositories, email, web hosting, etc.
What’s the worst that can happen when using free hosting? As soon as they start charging money, you just leave for somewhere else. And I say that as someone who is paying for a VPS for hosting (and some other stuff).
Web hosting is very cheap - especially for static sites. Much easier to pay and forget about it. I've used my provider for 20 years.
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#116The Hacker News site is (a) "static" or (b) "complex"? A case of irony?
Hacker News is a social network application, not a blog.
The Hacker News pages are "static" -- correct?
For my startup's Web site, I wrote the code in ASP.NET and made the site "static" before I heard about "static": So, "static" is okay with me for what I did write. When I finally (whew!!) go live, I hope the candidate users will not mind, or even notice, that the site is "static" and not single page. Today, do nearly all users expect a "single page" site and not like "static"?
Last time I checked, my pages send for ~44KB per page, and I'd guess that that is comparatively small?
If only as a user, a single page site can be amazing, subtle, surpising, not really intuitive or obvious, but by now there may be millions of such sites with significant differences between any two, thus, requiring users, by try it and find out, to learn how to use the site. In contrast, a static site seems to stand on a history of computer interaction, e.g., with the standard controls -- text boxes, check boxes, radio buttons, links -- that go back to some IBM work for the airline industry and the 3270 terminals and that by now maybe 3 billion people understand immediately, and if so then that can be an advantage.
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#117The killer app of WordPress is comments. No SSG, almost by definition, allows comments; WordPress blogs almost always come with them built in. If you want something like Hugo to really take off in the blogging sphere, all you need to do is create some good looking themes with comments . Figure that out at scale - maybe by using per-blog sharded SQLite, which you can host as a third party for pennies on the dollar - a…
Grate post! Hey, check my websight about "WordPress blogs" at https://www.sevarg.net/ I think youll like it! ;) Are you sure comments are still desirable? Isn't step 1 of the internet anymore "Never read the comments"? That said, I did actually work out a solution for "static site with dynamic comments" on my blog that could easily be done for a lot of people if they're willing to use a hosted service. Discourse (the…
It very much depends on who you ask. As a reader, I always check the comments on an article. It's easily 75% of the fun of the Internet to me, more so if it's a shitshow. I can understand not everyone feels the same. I've been hearing for years from many different people how Twitter is a garbage dump, but to me it's no worse or better than any other place where people can respond to each other.
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#118The killer app of WordPress is comments. No SSG, almost by definition, allows comments; WordPress blogs almost always come with them built in. If you want something like Hugo to really take off in the blogging sphere, all you need to do is create some good looking themes with comments . Figure that out at scale - maybe by using per-blog sharded SQLite, which you can host as a third party for pennies on the dollar - a…
I think that was true during the age of the blog, but far less so now. Comments and discussion of a post are to be found on third-party communities like Reddit, HN, or even Facebook. How many of us scan the list of comments under, say, a Substack post vs. will scroll through a page or two of HN comments for the same post? IMO it's a foregone conclusion that a discussion on HN will be higher quality for a tech-related…
This is already happening to HN as tech people flee Reddit.
Most of the new comments on any given post are people that didn't read the linked content and complain about stuff addressed in the second paragraph.
This is an evolutionary process where the commenters that get the most engagement are those that are first to respond or react. First-mover advantage entrenches itself as those posts are boosted higher due to the engagement they receive.
Those that think deeply before responding are discouraged when a well-thought out comment is buried beneath a sea of first impressions.
This reward cycle is amplified by more people, because engagement is very unequal on platforms that share a top comment or front page for everyone. You either make it to the first few comments or get nothing at all.
Sites like Discord or Facebook try to counteract the monopolization of engagement by an impulsive few by splitting users into smaller groups. Less competition for social interaction creates more diversity in winning strategies. Evolutionary pressures still exist, but you don't need to perfect a "winning strategy" solely to interact with other people on the platform.
Contrast Reddit or YouTube videos. The concentration of attention means it has monetary value due to SEO, product reviews, or advertising. The value of a large audience makes a platform more competitive. Competitiveness means many YouTubers and Redditors professionalize attention-seeking behaviour. This comes at the cost of quality.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
What’s the worst that can happen when using free hosting? As soon as they start charging money, you just leave for somewhere else. And I say that as someone who is paying for a VPS for hosting (and some other stuff).
That's true for all free stuff. It's a pain to constantly monitor if the service is still free, and a pain to keep migrating. Web hosting is very cheap - especially for static sites. Much easier to pay and forget about it. I've used my provider for 20 years.
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I love when businesses do stuff like this. If it works, it works. My job isn't to ridicule them because it could be better, but make their solution better and ensure my solution for them works as well as theirs, if not better, without hampering the success they already had with what they were doing already. A lot of developers don't want to admit this—in my experience at least—but tons of these ad-hoc web solutions a…
Totally! The magic of using your print menu word doc as the website is its so little work to keep the site updated. No one really cares that a family restaurant in a Toronto suburb has a visually stunning website. You just want to see the menu, hours, address and phone number. It's always going to be updated, exactly the same content as the print menu that you actually pay from, and they already knew how to make thin…
It seems weird to say it since so many people rely on it, but wordpress is overkill for so many things. It frustrates so many clients to no end, requires ongoing maintenance that's quite expensive in some cases, and well, it requires an active server handling server-rendering and form submissions and such. The vast majority of clients simply don't need it. They don't even need themes.
This party I'm helping has something like 7 wordpress sites strewn about, all on hosts that cost way too much, some not even updated or maintained at all, sitting on servers that peak at like 40% utilization and otherwise hum along at near-zero utilization beyond what the wordpress isntance requires.
This is a lot of the internet. My experience with these folks has inspired me to build something that would meet their needs, but it's one of these things where... I don't know, if I build it, I doubt anyone would come. But yeah. Most people's needs for the internet are remarkably simple. Even Wix or similar are way, way too much. Yet those basic blogging engines totally miss the mark too. Most of these business users aren't interesting in blogging. They just want a simple home base where they can dump various types of information and let it hang out forever.
I can think of a few products which aim to fix this, but they aren't quite simple enough for the types of people we're describing. The people who know they need stuff online, but don't want to know much about it and don't want to learn much either.