I’m always impressed at how many lawyers apparently exist in the comments of HN posts /s
Response to WP Engine’s Lawsuit
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Re: Response to WP Engine’s Lawsuit
#112Nobody seems to have noticed that Matt Mullenweg stopped responding to everyone everywhere (including HN) after they hired the external law firm. They likely told him to shut up.
Re: Response to WP Engine’s Lawsuit
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Automattic were an early investor in WPEngine, but they exited the investment around 2018.
Thanks. 2018 would tie in with about when I first got the impression he was not a fan of WP Engine. I'm sure there was fuss once before (about them not being on the "recommended hosting" page?)
That's when they were bought by private equity. So there was a big fuss about that.
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#115> "Neal has been adverse to Quinn Emanuel a number of times, and won every case." I don't think I have ever before seen, in an official public statement, a "The lawyer we just hired always beats the lawyer they just hired!" boast, and it seems ridiculous - it's almost even hinting in the direction that they think the case should be decided on quality of lawyer rather than that their case should win on merit.
The audience for this statement is WP Engine's significant customers. WordPress is in a position to do much more damage to WP Engine in the near term, which will reflect poorly on the IT manager for selecting them as a vendor. WordPress is not so subtly encouraging those customers to reconsider their decision and migrate off WP Engine. If WP Engine decides to fork, it devalues the "just like WordPress but better" val…
Why would they need to fork? WordPress itself is from B2, hence its licensing being GPL. WordPress cannot adopt the dual licensing of other A/GPL software companies like Cal.com because it's not even their copyright in the first place. Therefore, all WordPress changes must continue to be GPL. The only parts that might need to be replicated are things that are not necessarily part of the core codebase, such as the plugin repository, but it seems people are already starting to move towards a decentralized model for these.
Re: Response to WP Engine’s Lawsuit
#116> "Neal has been adverse to Quinn Emanuel a number of times, and won every case." I don't think I have ever before seen, in an official public statement, a "The lawyer we just hired always beats the lawyer they just hired!" boast, and it seems ridiculous - it's almost even hinting in the direction that they think the case should be decided on quality of lawyer rather than that their case should win on merit.
The audience for this statement is WP Engine's significant customers. WordPress is in a position to do much more damage to WP Engine in the near term, which will reflect poorly on the IT manager for selecting them as a vendor. WordPress is not so subtly encouraging those customers to reconsider their decision and migrate off WP Engine. If WP Engine decides to fork, it devalues the "just like WordPress but better" val…
I work for an agency that is part of a (very) large holding company. The IT dept for the holding company mandated that all agencies within to host their WordPress sites in WP Engine. I manage the sites for my company and two sister agencies, and just between the three companies there are 18 sites, not including the Dev/Staging variants! There are over 1500 agencies...granted not all have WP sites, but I am certain that many do. So if this reflects on the IT manager who made this call, it would be hugely magnified!
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#117Who is actively using Wordpress in 2024? It’s been a shithole product for shitty websites since it’s been a thing………
Shitty performance, shitty themes, borderline malware plugins……
Re: Response to WP Engine’s Lawsuit
#118Who is actively using Wordpress in 2024? It’s been a shithole product for shitty websites since it’s been a thing……… Shitty performance, shitty themes, borderline malware plugins……
"Just" 43% of all websites on the internet.
Re: Response to WP Engine’s Lawsuit
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, ofc, the lawyer skill gradient exists and causes slam-dunk cases to be decided in the "wrong" [0] direction. It's just odd to say you will win because the lawyer is that good, makes it sound like you might be wrong but are going to win simply because you have better council. [0] There's gotta be a fancy latin-sounding lawyer word for this, right?
No one is going to “win.” They’re going to settle. The quality of your lawyer will absolutely, positively influence your pleasure in the settlement. There are facts and law bad enough to overwhelm any lawyer, but usually there’s garbage on either side of the case and each lawyer will be able to use his or her skill to handle the garbage. > There's gotta be a fancy latin-sounding lawyer word for this, right? “America”
WPEngine's goal may be to break Automattic's exclusive, perpetual and irrevocable license on WordPress.
That's something I could (especially given his comments) never, ever, ever see Matt conceding, so they may end up going to trial (as part of their lawsuit centers on the self-dealing, inappropriate use of non-profits, etc., and getting judgment there might be the only route to that).
Re: Response to WP Engine’s Lawsuit
#120Who is actively using Wordpress in 2024? It’s been a shithole product for shitty websites since it’s been a thing……… Shitty performance, shitty themes, borderline malware plugins……
"Just" 43% of all websites on the internet.
This figure is so useless, because easily 50% of all websites have less than 1 human visitor per day (I made the number up, you get the point). The interesting statistic would be unique visits served or something like that.