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Notion's mid-life crisis

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Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by ethbr1 »

llamaLord wrote: post #76
dartos wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people also use jira as a support ticket system. Sprint planning system. Kanban system. I’ve seen it set up so that it can track work across kanban teams and scrum teams. Jira has deep integration with bitbucket, confluence, and GitHub. It can manage your CI pipelines as well. Jira is an anything app with a bend towards project management. Setting up jira workflows is a whole career. Source: I worked at Atlassian for…

Yeah but saying Jira is like Notion makes fundamentally no sense when Confluence is sitting like... Right there...

Sssh. You'll remind the Jira feature team that Confluence exists!

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by threeseed »

015a wrote: post #101
threeseed wrote: post #56

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> A tool that tries to be everything to everyone Jira doesn't try to be everything. It's a project management app. It does nothing else. Notion is wiki, CRM, project management, calendar etc.

Its kind of funny that you'd list four features of notion, three of which people absolutely do regularly and normally use Jira for (e.g. https://support.atlassian.com/jira-work-management/docs/use-... ). The 4th, a Wiki, is of course more-so just Confluence, but I have seen echoes of a wiki make their way into Jira; e.g. in one place I worked, every release was a ticket that was duplicated from a previous ticket, and…

It's amazing how people think Project Management = Issues (and only issues).

Release Management is a fundamental part of IT Project Management. So of course companies use Jira to track releases. And of course you can tie milestones and OKRs to releases. And of course tickets can have small amounts of text content associated with them. How else would you describe the ticket without them ?

But the idea of Jira being remotely like a Confluence style wiki is just ridiculous.

And your comment is out of some parallel universe where Jira is Confluence.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by threeseed »

luckman212 wrote: post #84
iforgotmysocks wrote: post #70

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Apple Notes is underrated. There is no flashy features to distract you. Just you and your notes.

I strongly disagree for these reasons: - note data stored in a proprietary format - no way to access note data from other apps/api - no way to export in bulk, or in any other format than PDF (a terrible format for notes) - iCloud sync is a mildly terrifying thing to entrust important data to I use Apple Notes for the occasional quick grocery list but that's about it.

Notes data is stored in an open SQLite3 database as Protocol Buffer data:

sqlite3 "~/Library/Group Containers/group.com.apple.notes/NoteStore.sqlite"

This is because it needs to support CRDT style syncing.

But the schemas have been decoded so you can access it using pretty much any language.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by euroderf »

replwoacause wrote: post #89
btown wrote: post #17

I've often thought that, looking historically, Notion only exists because product innovation in Google Docs is decoupled from revenue growth for Google Workspace. Putting a draggable handle, at the user's election, alongside every paragraph in Docs, and adding a customizable shortcut for search across docs, would go a long way towards Docs being 90% of what Notion's value proposition was as of a few years ago. But mo…

It’s just too bad Notion AI can’t see data stored in databases, which is arguably Notions biggest value add and differentiator. So given that it can’t use that data with AI queries really limits the usefulness of it.

I don't see why Notion-adjacent apps don't just deeply integrate SQLite for everything table-related. What am i missing ?

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by pants2 »

BadHumans wrote: post #63
apsurd wrote: post #55

Another anecdote added to the "I don't get notion" pile. I just don't get notion. I use Apple Notes for everything id use notion for + scratch.txt on every project folder root. (i've used notion, quip, gdocs, dropbox paper) Notion lives rent free in my mind because while im indifferent to it, people seem to LOVE it. and that's so fascinating. even this article, I upvoted it because the conversation about notion is in…

Notion is popular because it is infinitely customizable. Want to draw in your Notion database? Done. Want to do Kanban? Easy. Gantt Charts? Child's play. Whatever you want Notion to do it likely can be and it is available on any device you want and you can share it with your team so working with other people is not a pain in the ass like it is with most plain text note taking.

Just don't try to center text on the page!

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by euroderf »

ryanschneider wrote: post #85

Not that I expect them to fix it at this point since it seems to be a known issue, but just in case anyone from Notion is watching please fix the macOS app’s CPU usage. On a brand new M3 MacBook Pro each tab takes about 10% of one core _non-stop_ even in the background. I have to constantly cull tabs or my machine becomes noticeably less responsive.

Good grief. How is this even possible ? What on earth is going on ?

Extra points for answers in the form of questions.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by euroderf »

niyogi wrote: post #80

notion was the beneficiary of the mass exodus of users who felt betrayed by evernote's weird pricing change many years ago. they had a great evernote importer which made it easy to migrate and then grew way beyond the elegant simple product they once were. a new notion is lurking somewhere waiting to ride in the wake of a growing disgruntled pile of notion users

Visualising another in a series of great migrations, where a mass of leaderbirds takes wing and suddenly the entire flock is in the air and heading south.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by n_ary »

Notion is cool and many new project owners/managers love it while grumpy oldies live by Jira/Conflience.

However, Notion kind of gives me the vibes Evernote cult of the ancients we have forgotten.

That being said, I used Notion on early days as my brain-dump for everything until I found that my needs are just putting some text and images, then I moved to simplenoteapp(also from forgotten stone age) and substitute with Bear or Apple Notes.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by 015a »

threeseed wrote: post #112
015a wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its kind of funny that you'd list four features of notion, three of which people absolutely do regularly and normally use Jira for (e.g. https://support.atlassian.com/jira-work-management/docs/use-... ). The 4th, a Wiki, is of course more-so just Confluence, but I have seen echoes of a wiki make their way into Jira; e.g. in one place I worked, every release was a ticket that was duplicated from a previous ticket, and…

It's amazing how people think Project Management = Issues (and only issues). Release Management is a fundamental part of IT Project Management. So of course companies use Jira to track releases. And of course you can tie milestones and OKRs to releases. And of course tickets can have small amounts of text content associated with them. How else would you describe the ticket without them ? But the idea of Jira being re…

You must of missed the multiple points where I said "three out of four" and "echoes" of a wiki; but reading comprehension is hard, don't worry you'll get 'em next time.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Post by n_ary »

jitl wrote: post #73
staplers wrote: post #9

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I used to use Notion daily. I switched to Anytype when Notion launched an AI tool that trains on your data. A bit more of a learning curve but that's an absolute no-go when a tool contains the inner workings of my brain. Plenty of comparable private options. Intellectual capital is rapidly being migrated from workers to shareholders under the guise of "AI". Imagine a world where C-suites no longer rely on or support…

(I work at Notion but not on AI) There’s far more for Notion to lose “training customer data on AI” than for Notion to gain. Like if an AI feature ever disclosed private information of one customer to another, that would be a huge blow to the company. The closest thing to that that makes sense for us is building “learn to rank” style search models to improve search results, but this is not usually considered “AI” and…

For me, it seems that most of the notion users in my circle(very small one) are non-technical people. Even if your AI vomits some other user’s private data, it’ll be considered a glitch and will be forgiven because non-technical users does not panic or gets flame-baited because these are irrelevant to them.

That being said, I appreciate that you understand the risk, and want to believe that the people on the helm of the AI feature and people on the leadership also share your opinion.

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