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Being Raised by the Internet

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Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by bcoates »

tbrownaw wrote: post #79
throwanem wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You give the impression here of having taken something I said quite personally. I hope I may be forgiven for not yet really understanding what or why. Likewise, my responses may be somewhat less on point for the distraction. The account under discussion is attributed public speech on the Internet. In other contexts, other conventions apply. There are about as many such contexts as there are kinds of relationships bet…

The bit I quoted seemed to be saying that curiosity and wanting to understand things are bad. Maybe that can be off topic and so out of place at work, but in online arguments prompted by something intentionally made public?

Yes, it's bad. Learn to mind your own business. If you don't understand, you are failing the test.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by Aeolun »

082349872349872 wrote: post #49
throwanem wrote: post #28

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That isn't even unreasonable as a cultural norm, although it is that those who most firmly enforce it also cherish silly habits like saying "bring your whole self to work." The expectation of not oversharing needs to be met by a commitment of not over- asking, but I suppose that's really too much to expect in an age so degraded that all the obligations across lines of social class are understood to run in only one di…

I once heard, in a different century, that the "modal restaurant script" differed between the US and the UK in that in the former, the waitstaff asks the diners a bunch of (to a cultural outsider) overly prying questions, while in the latter, the diners ask them of the waitstaff. Still true? Never was?

Hmm, not certain about wait staff. I’m certain that barbers do it everywhere I’ve ever been though.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by 29athrowaway »

aantix wrote: post #54
29athrowaway wrote: post #16

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My kids get a fair share of unsupervised tablet time. And they seem to know 10x of what I did at their same age. My son is 9, watching endless Geometry Dash tutorials, and making his own levels. He loves it, and he loves to show me his work. Tablet time will become an extension of your home life. If you have good discussions - encouraging curiosity, fostering creativity, challenging their approach "Why did you design…

Kids know more pokemons than the animals they are based on.

They can to take care of Talking Tom or some other virtual pet but ignore their own pets.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by Aeolun »

bcoates wrote: post #111
tbrownaw wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bit I quoted seemed to be saying that curiosity and wanting to understand things are bad. Maybe that can be off topic and so out of place at work, but in online arguments prompted by something intentionally made public?

Yes, it's bad. Learn to mind your own business. If you don't understand, you are failing the test.

So what you are saying is that people have some hangup on saying ‘I don’t want to say’ and instead say all kinds of vague stuff that I might want to clarify, and that I should recognize that and just let it go?

I’m not quite sure how to distinguish that from people unintentionally being vague.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by 082349872349872 »

fsflover wrote: post #108
lukan wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

> It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit. Here is the corresponding search engine for that: https://wiby.me

Also: https://search.marginalia.nu

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by 082349872349872 »

arp242 wrote: post #104
dyauspitr wrote: post #12

This is not being raised by the internet. Being raised by the internet is getting all your mores and morals from the internet. Learning how to do everything you know through YouTube videos. Learning appropriate responses to situations through forums etc. A lot of us are raised by the internet.

This is being needlessly pedantic over a somewhat poetic usage of "raised" in the title.

Indeed, I'd thought the title was deliberately ambiguous between raised ("upbringing") and raised ("uplifted").

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by LoganDark »

I was raised by the internet, too. I first started using computers at around the age of 5. A lot of my childhood years were spent in places that still exist today. My family was poor and computers were my only escape, just like the article says.

I can't help but feel like I lost something through doing that, though. It certainly didn't help my ADHD to teach my brain that it's possible to live life through only instant gratification. And it certainly didn't help to always be connected to so many people that now I can't seem to do anything alone.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by throwanem »

cxr wrote: post #109
yapyap wrote: post #90

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you can just… lie

Some people are against that, even if only for purely pragmatic (as opposed to moral) reasons. This is another one of those "People who've never really known [otherwise] tend to make a lot of assumptions they're not equipped to recognize" things; being in a fortunate enough position to absorb the potential blowback of a lie is not unlike the privilege of being in a position to absorb the blowback to any other choice/…

And then there's you have to keep track of the lies, and that most people prefer to think of themselves as not the kind of person who would ever, ever gossip - which isn't the same as saying they don't.

The moral consideration carries real weight, as you note; lying in a survival situation is one thing, but this kind of problem relatively rarely meets that standard. But even if the potential moral iniquity and certain hazard is entirely ignored, the policy as a practical matter simply cannot work for long.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by pushupentry1219 »

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post.

When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience.

My point here is not related to this lovely post at all, it's just that I always have associated "raised by the internet" with negative connotation.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by malfist »

fsflover wrote: post #108
lukan wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

> It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit. Here is the corresponding search engine for that: https://wiby.me

Kagi has a small web thing too. But very few of those places are a community
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