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Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by vel0city »

ssl-3 wrote: post #109
skybrian wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, casting from your phone still works. However, it requires a Google login to set up and automatically downloads a bunch of apps you probably don't want if all you care about is playing movies and YouTube videos from your phone. I suppose you could create an account just for this, but you really shouldn't need an account at all. It was a gift for a relative: a "Chromecast with Google TV." I didn't know what it rea…

The original concept was great for some things, sure. I bought an OG Chromecast over a decade ago. It was a one-trick pony: Push "cast" button on pocket computer, and whatever I was doing there would show up on the BFT. Which is great, you know, for a person who lives alone and never has visitors: One can select an item from the slick interface provided by the service they subscribe to on their amazing personal compu…

> I already hid the buttons from showing up in the notification area of everyone's pocket computer on the LAN, since my roommate kept being a dick and stopping my shit.

Honestly that sounds far more like your roommate being an ass than some failure of the technology. If you had to tape over the IR sensor because your roommate kept blasting the IR power off signal for your TV, would you also blame the IR sensor?

Either way, my TV remotes which support CEC that have play/pause buttons on them can play/pause content on my OG chromecast.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by selcuka »

aledalgrande wrote: post #105
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #101

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Honestly, who is going to be comfortable staking their name on adopting Google's AI offerings? I have talked so many people out of wasting their effort supporting it simply by pointing to all the rug pulls Google has done.

Can you describe this more? Curious as I was looking at their offerings.

For starters there is this:

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by nikeee »

nomilk wrote: post #108

Can someone ELI5 what google cache was and why it was important? Was it essentially a wayback machine alternative? People are upset about its removal; curious to understand why.

You could access a snapshot of the page that was taken when google was indexing it. It is helpful if the site content changed or was removed shortly after google indexed it. This often lead to wrong search result preview texts which you could still find in the cache. The internet archive has a different focus and maybe you won't find the missing information that google has indexed there.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by selimthegrim »

nashashmi wrote: post #23

What are the chances of wayback machine removing snapshots? I found an article on something that is far too taboo to talk about these days that was removed from the newspaper after having it there for more than 5 years. Out of public pressure.

What was the article? Is this in Pak?

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by vel0city »

SamBam wrote: post #44
Alupis wrote: post #34

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I'm aware of Google's history of shutting down services... but... > And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own software on it? Probably zero. Will you have no trouble buying a Roku or Amazon Fire Stick though? Those are also paper weights once the company decides to stop supporting them - and I'm not aware of any consumer electronics that allows you to install your own software on it…

I think GP's point was specifically Google's famous history of starting projects and then shutting them down within a few years. Old Rokus still work. My Roku 3600 is eight years old.

My Chromecast is 11 years old and still works fine. Sometimes YouTube thinks it can try playing back the higher bitrate 4k version of a video and it'll get choppy but I've never had issues with 1080p content.

My older Roku 2 is effectively unusable as most apps are just outrageously sluggish and videos often crash loading.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by ssl-3 »

vel0city wrote: post #111
ssl-3 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original concept was great for some things, sure. I bought an OG Chromecast over a decade ago. It was a one-trick pony: Push "cast" button on pocket computer, and whatever I was doing there would show up on the BFT. Which is great, you know, for a person who lives alone and never has visitors: One can select an item from the slick interface provided by the service they subscribe to on their amazing personal compu…

> I already hid the buttons from showing up in the notification area of everyone's pocket computer on the LAN, since my roommate kept being a dick and stopping my shit. Honestly that sounds far more like your roommate being an ass than some failure of the technology. If you had to tape over the IR sensor because your roommate kept blasting the IR power off signal for your TV, would you also blame the IR sensor? Eithe…

When an IR remote starts putting notifications on any and every phone that happens to be on the network that let them very easily fuck up my streaming experience, then it may be possible to start drawing parallels. Until then, they're very different concepts.

(And CEC is a curse for those with AV systems of even moderate complexity.)

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by vel0city »

ssl-3 wrote: post #117
vel0city wrote: post #111

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> I already hid the buttons from showing up in the notification area of everyone's pocket computer on the LAN, since my roommate kept being a dick and stopping my shit. Honestly that sounds far more like your roommate being an ass than some failure of the technology. If you had to tape over the IR sensor because your roommate kept blasting the IR power off signal for your TV, would you also blame the IR sensor? Eithe…

When an IR remote starts putting notifications on any and every phone that happens to be on the network that let them very easily fuck up my streaming experience, then it may be possible to start drawing parallels. Until then, they're very different concepts. (And CEC is a curse for those with AV systems of even moderate complexity.)

Your roommate didn't even have to be on the same network to mess with the IR receiver. They just didn't think of it I guess.

https://www.tvbgone.com/

I'd still say its 99% having a shitty roommate. I don't know why you'd excuse their shit behavior on having a button to do it.

> And CEC is a curse for those with AV systems of even moderate complexity.

Eh. I've had a few dozen AV setups of "moderate" complexity (multiple game consoles/streaming boxes, AV receiver, BD player, TV) and never really had bad experiences. Often things just work when I've turned them on. And honestly most of the time with things running my OG Chromecasts its the only actual device on the setup (a stand-alone TV mounted someplace like in the garage or kitchen or patio).

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by yowzadave »

homebrewer wrote: post #99
crazygringo wrote: post #89

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Exactly this. It was a fairly hidden piece of functionality that a tiny proportion of people ever used -- of course, a higher proportion of HN users, but still. Their brand is unchanged.

Not just HN. In my autocracy every housewife knew about Google cache — it was the easiest way to read information the government doesn't want you to read, and it was free and always available unlike many blocked VPNs (and what shady proxy companies call "VPNs").

I wonder if this is the reason Google killed the product? I.e., pressure from autocratic regimes so that they can control information better.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by hattmall »

Minor49er wrote: post #90
skybrian wrote: post #43

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I have an original Chromecast and it still works, though pairing it with a new TV is a bit of a pain. The new Google TV is more like a smart TV without the TV. It has apps you install. It's much more complex and not the same thing at all. I was disappointed. But then again every company discontinues products. I don't see that as a breach of trust. It's making up a promise they never made and criticizing them for it.

I have several Chromecasts in my TVs. Keeping them paired with mobile devices has become a nightmare. They frequently disconnect, often immediately after queuing videos. They never used to behave this way The silver lining is that I have been finding some better alternatives to both Chromecast and YouTube. I have some Amazon Firesticks with Kodi installed that are pointed at my media-filled NAS, including videos I fe…

I've run Kodi for a while, raspberry pis and fire sticks mostly. Right now the best setup I have is on old Chromeboxes running libreelec or retroelec if I want gaming. It's pretty great. Chromebox G1 is like max $50 or less. They are way faster than any non X86 based hardware I've tried. The only downside is the lack of HDMI-CEC so I have to use either my phone, a gaming controller or some sort of Bluetooth remote to control it. I have installed Bliss OS on some Chromeboxes and it works well but haven't tried running Kodi on top of it. Might work well if I need access to any specific apps.
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