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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by nasmorn »

kiba wrote: post #87
knighthack wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many successful relationships that don't involve arguments - and which are about constant peace. Relationships don't require 'arguments and fights and makeups' to be real. And if AI girlfriends offer 'ideal relationships', how is that not 'good'? You are conflating what people actually want with the artificial drama of TV shows and Hollywood/the messy scenario of reality. If people can pay to get their fant…

There are many successful relationships that don't involve arguments - and which are about constant peace. I am not saying things about successful relationship. I am merely pointing out how exploitation of users can occur. Emotional bonding often occur in orderal and other challenging events. It is one of the tools that companies will use to push users' button and to exploit them for economic value. And if AI girlfri…

Bonding to a computer program under control of a corporation is like looking for a sociopath as a partner explicitly. You would lose complete control of your life to the other side. Reciprocity is off the table completely.

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Post by knallfrosch »

hungie wrote: post #101
binary132 wrote: post #86

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Porn is fine. Sex has been a part of our social fabric for longer than we've been human. Obviously, there exists a lot of exploitation in porn, but performers who enjoy doing it and can support themselves with it on a platform like of? More power to them.

Taking a wild guess, I'd say binary132's main concern was the lasting effect on the consumers, not the producers. Girls' broken self-image, male porn addiction, substituting real intimacy, proliferating bad sex practises just to name a few.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by knallfrosch »

nemo44x wrote: post #49

This is why PornHub was sold to bag holders earlier seemingly out of nowhere. Their business is dead. Second point - is this really Europe’s most successful tech company of the last 15 years?!

The article limits the claim to a "probably" and "UK"

> it is probably the most successful UK company founded since DeepMind in 2010

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by beAbU »

tennisflyi wrote: post #7

Seminal article (I guess), https://xsrus.com/the-economics-of-onlyfans > It’s just as easy to imagine demand for the “real thing” going down due to the emergence of more substitutes as it is to imagine the premium for parasocial authenticity going up. And yet only Generative AI “creators” will truly do whatever “you” want and only for you. And unlike real ones, they speak in every language and are available at any ti…

Sure, real content will fetch a premium, but I think there is absolute bank to be made with AI enhanced or AI generated curated pornography in our near future.

I will also not be surprised at all when the inevitable scandal breaks where some popular OF creator was ousted as being AI generated instead of being "real".

There are Instagram influences that are on the platform /today/ that are immensely popular, and they are completely AI generated. Some of their followers even know this, yet they don't really care.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by AmericanChopper »

darby_nine wrote: post #96
AmericanChopper wrote: post #68

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The idea that success is earned through luck rather than merit is a firmly ideological position, regardless of the domain you’re talking about. If you succeeded via luck then that provides a better moral justification for the related ideological position that you should be deprived of the fruits of your labor as much as possible, for redistribution to others who were simply less lucky than you. It’s really just sour…

> The formula for success in any field is simply to make a product that other people want to consume Well, the formula for success in selling products is this. Most people don't define success in terms of business acumen. Except, of course, businessmen. If you perceive our society as centered around successful people, of course you'll see it as merit-based. If you perceive our society as poorly run and catering to th…

This is just arguing over phrasing. It doesn’t matter what you’re trying to do, if you’re making YouTube videos, or music, or paintings, or cakes, or web apps, or cleaning diveways, your ability to succeed boils down to your ability to provide something other people want. That is the objective source of your merit.

Perhaps your own idea of success in life is something that revolves exclusively around your own satisfaction, like going off and living in the woods. But this is exactly the same situation, you’re just only trying to provide the things that one person wants in that scenario, yourself. Your ability to do this will again come down to your own merit.

Of course if you’re chronically frustrated by being less successful than you would like to be, then looking for alternative explanations such as luck will be an attractive scapegoat that could excuse you from scrutinising your own capabilities. But the human inclination towards doing that is certainly not morally righteous.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by 71bw »

renewiltord wrote: post #102
bostik wrote: post #97

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> There is no "formula" for success in the creator economy - the winners are largely random. That observation has echoes of the music industry - another extremely top-heavy creator business. There are formulaic ways to make "good enough" and "catchy enough" songs, but the window for "X enough" keeps shifting. Cranking out grunge won't be sustainable in the age of K-pop. But the massive runaway hits have been predomin…

Yeah but Rick Rubin is always involved and Max Martin has written a hell of a lot of megahits. Makes you think.

>Rick Rubin

Dear God, I've looked into his discography[1] and nearly every album I think of as great from the last 30 years is there. Seasons in the Abyss, The Life of Pablo, 99 Problems, SOAD self-titled + Toxicity, The Geto Boys self-titled, Licensed to Ill... Is this man a hit printer or something? Really shows that Metallica went to him with Death Magnetic after the joke called St. Anger lol

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin_production_discogra...

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by braza »

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it.

With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that.

I am not sure if there's the same this new army of "civilians" joining OF, let alone the additional toll it will take on the creators in terms of social ostracism, future prospects, future opportunities, and mental health.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by [deleted] »

71bw wrote: post #117
renewiltord wrote: post #102

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Yeah but Rick Rubin is always involved and Max Martin has written a hell of a lot of megahits. Makes you think.

>Rick Rubin Dear God, I've looked into his discography[1] and nearly every album I think of as great from the last 30 years is there. Seasons in the Abyss, The Life of Pablo, 99 Problems, SOAD self-titled + Toxicity, The Geto Boys self-titled, Licensed to Ill... Is this man a hit printer or something? Really shows that Metallica went to him with Death Magnetic after the joke called St. Anger lol [1] https://en.wikipe…

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by bool3max »

braza wrote: post #118

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

That issue exists in the context of all other novel "social media" careers as well.
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