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Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

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Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

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I wonder how the cost compares to a Tinybox. $25k for 6x 4090 or $15k for 6x 7900XTX. Of course that's the full package with power supplies, CPU, storage, cooling, assembly, shipping, etc. And a tested, known good hardware/software configuration which is crucial with this kind of thing.

With a rental option coming, it’s hard for me to imagine a more profitable way to use a node like that.

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

#112

I wonder how the cost compares to a Tinybox. $25k for 6x 4090 or $15k for 6x 7900XTX. Of course that's the full package with power supplies, CPU, storage, cooling, assembly, shipping, etc. And a tested, known good hardware/software configuration which is crucial with this kind of thing.

If you merely want CUDA and lots of VRAM there‘s no reason to pick expensive 4090s over used 3090s

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

#113
post #7

You could just buy a Mac Studio for 6500 USD, have 192 GB of unified RAM and have way less power consumption.

I know it's a fraction of the size, but my 32GB studio gets wrecked by these types of tasks. My experience is that they're awesome computers in general, but not as good for AI as people expect. Running llama3.1 70B is brutal on this thing. Responses take minutes. Someone running the same model on 32GB of GPU memory seems to have far better results from what I've read.

You are probably swapping. On M3 max with similar memory bandwidth the output is around 4t/s which is normally on par with most people's reading speed. Try different quants.

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

>Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it I'm curious, how do you use e.g. a washing machine or an electric kettle, if 2kW is enough to flip your breaker? You should simply know your wiring limits. Breaker/wiring at my home won't even notice this.

Americans do not have electric kettles and need special circuits for electric clothes dryers.

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it I'm curious, how do you use e.g. a washing machine or an electric kettle, if 2kW is enough to flip your breaker? You should simply know your wiring limits. Breaker/wiring at my home won't even notice this.

Americans do not have electric kettles and need special circuits for electric clothes dryers.

We have an electric kettle in the US and it runs just fine drawing 1500W.

You're correct that the dryer is on a larger circuit, though.

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

>Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it I'm curious, how do you use e.g. a washing machine or an electric kettle, if 2kW is enough to flip your breaker? You should simply know your wiring limits. Breaker/wiring at my home won't even notice this.

My kettle only pulls 1500W, as do most in the US. Our water just takes longer to boil than in Europe. My washer / dryer has its own 30a breaker as does my Oven as well as water heater. My garbage disposal has its own 15a breaker.

Boiling 1 liter takes like 2 mins. Most Americans don’t have kettles because they don’t drink tea.

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it I'm curious, how do you use e.g. a washing machine or an electric kettle, if 2kW is enough to flip your breaker? You should simply know your wiring limits. Breaker/wiring at my home won't even notice this.

Americans do not have electric kettles and need special circuits for electric clothes dryers.

Huh, what?! Mega TIL moment for me as an Australian with an electric kettle and dryer plugged into whatever power socket I wish! Reminds me of this great Technology Connections video: https://youtu.be/jMmUoZh3Hq4?si=3vSMHmU2ClwNRtow

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

#119
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

I can't believe a group of engineers are so afraid of residential power. It is not expensive, nor is it highly technical. It's not like we're factoring in latency and crosstalk... Read a quick howto, cruise into Home Depot and grab some legos off the shelf. Far easier to figure out than executing "hello world" without domain expertise.

You’re forgetting many people have landlords who aren’t exactly keen on tenants doing diy electrical work.

Re: Serving AI from the Basement – 192GB of VRAM Setup

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main thing stopping me from going beyond 2x 4090’s in my home lab is power. Anything around ~2k watts on a single circuit breaker is likely to flip it, and that’s before you get to the costs involved of drawing that much power for multiple days of a training run. How did you navigate that in a (presumably) residential setting?

This is funny as a european, since we have many, many groups where we reguarly will run 2kW, and some, loads. Really no issue, but I guess lower voltage makes it a problem.

Yup. We typically have 20 amp breakers in living portions of the house and it's common practice for most devices to top out at 1500 watts. But from your description, you would still need three lines and three breakers. So. I'm not understanding your point.
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