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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by nabla9 »

mettamage wrote: post #19
askonomm wrote: post #4

Love it. Maybe one day U.S companies will learn that while they can steal and sell their own peoples information as they please, and they'll even have their own people brainwashed into such a state of stockholm syndrome that they will defend the corporations ability to do so, that's not the culture EU has, and it won't fly here. Corporations are not the peoples identity here, privacy and safety however are.

Instances like this really make me feel that capitalism is devoid of any morality. If there's no law guarding it, a company will abuse its power in order to make more money. It could be a morally good thing, a morally bad thing, it doesn't matter: more money is more money. It feels heartless. I wish there was a better system.

> capitalism is devoid of any morality.

That's a category error. Economic and political system don't have morals. Not capitalism, socialism, democracy, autocracy.

Economic and political system should be designed to create incentives where externalities are positive and not negative.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by imachine1980_ »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #102
wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

Well, I'm not sure that I'd equate "freedom" with companies exploiting people's personal identifying information and selling it for their own profit. Personally, I don't want my information that's protected by GDPR in my own country to be smuggled into another country where there's almost no legal protection for someone's data/privacy.

Free as in corporate freedom to extract and abuse your personal information

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by stavros »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

EU citizens: We don't want our data in the US, where it can be siphoned off to other companies.

US company: siphons data

EU: You can't do that.

HN commenter: Damn these fiefdoms wanting their cut, what has the internet become? I pine for a simpler time, when I could do anything I wanted with data against people's will and nobody could stop me, that truly was the golden age.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by epgui »

allendoerfer wrote: post #89
epgui wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. If you go looking, you will find plenty of counter-examples in History. You just made a statement that the top handful of catastrophic examples were representative of the bunch. You have massive selection bias in your sample. “Morally-based decision ends well” is not exactly something that makes headlines or that is seized upon by historians to explain memorable cataclysmic events. You don’t need to be an ethics…

You are carefully trying to stay vague and are avoiding to name even a single counter-example. You are just claiming that my examples are wrong. This is the definition of a "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Name one non-capitalistic system more moral than the currently existing ones. All rankings trying to quantify morality and order societies by it, are consistently topped by social market economies, a form of capitalism.…

> With the edits to your post, its nature became more and more apologetic to dictatorships.

What are you talking about?(!)

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by lifestyleguru »

piva00 wrote: post #83
lifestyleguru wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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GDPR fines won't ever repair any national budget, you're being cynical. > Domestically these countries have entities collecting personal data in the same evil way as US entities Can you provide sources for this allegation?

In Germany they're Schufa, Rundfunkbeitrag collection service, copyright predators. In Poland I don't even know the names, but if you ever leave your phone number at any doctor, dentist, or blood test lab, starting from next day you'll receive tons of phone calls offering "free products", invitations to "product presentations". Especially if your age is > 50.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by _Algernon_ »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

>We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the world was truly a global trade network. A person in England could access the best tea the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders.

>Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the world being a global network is obviously becoming inviable. It was fun while it lasted.

- Some ignorant bloke at the end of the British empire, probably

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by mtkd »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

Access to tech is different from handling of personal data though -- the EU GDPR laws around that are clear and fair

People have a right to know where their personal data is going, what is being stored, what it is being used for and should have a mechanism to correct it and delete

The wider challenge is how that is handled in a compliant way with LLMs and generative tools which vendors do not seem to be taking particularly seriously yet

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by Deukhoofd »

shashanoid wrote: post #109

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European organizations are often fined as well, it's just that the amount of fines depends on the income of an organization. This means that big American companies jump out more, because they tend to have bigger incomes. Here's a database of fines for GDPR:

https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

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