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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?

I mean I wouldn't complain if they did.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

> Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government? Yes. You should read the history of Durov and why Telegram was created in the first place.

Here's a long personal interview with Durov.

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1780355490964283565

I know that TuckerCarlson is a polarizing character. My posting of this link is not any kind of statement for or against him or his politics. That being said, the interview really gives an interesting picture of Pavel Durov IMO. If you can ignore Carlson's annoying tangents into American politics, you get to hear a good bit of Durov's life story straight from his mouth in reasonable detail. I came away from it with a more positive picture of Durov and Telegram.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

E2EE should be a human right. Period. There are other ways to capture and ensnare criminals. Sacrificing our privacy for the "greater good" is a bridge too far. As one counter point, think about all of the completely fine human behaviors that instantly become kompromat when the powers have access to your every communication. That is way more dangerous to democracy, freedom, and liberty than a slightly smaller chance…

Famous quote that if you sacrifice freedom for security, you will get neither.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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They claim that criminals use Telegram, but it is not the best choice for doing crime because Telegram requires a phone number to sign up, and a phone number can be linked to identity and full location history (telcos record full location history for every number). However, Telegram might be involved in cooperating with criminals; for example by not deleting channels related to protests against government at govt's r…

Fraudsters have access to a near-infinite supply of phone numbers. It is only an annoyance for the average user trying to legitimately access a service and only helps prevent the smallest and least prepared criminals. But it's true that for 1:1 communication or not having to reach a broad audience there should be better alternatives.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Just think: all the companies that do illegal shit and get slaps on the wrist with a few thousand/million dollar fines. That's the only "consequence" for the executives that blew up the economy in 2008, the politicians that are in cahoots with company executives to funnel money into their pockets, the companies that spy on their own employees without due diligence or cause, the producers of products that knowingly ca…

We can be honest and the government realizes that it's not just talking. At least for the conversations they are concerned about. *EDIT* I dont agree with it, but Ive seen governments do far worse with far less.

I can assure you they are not concerned by illegal drugs and crime as every single french city is gangrened by drug dealers and thugs. But they really don't like free speech.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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It’ll be interesting to see if the likes of Marlinspike, Firefox, EFF, etc., rally to support this guy.

It’s really chilling to see the steps EU gobs are taking against free speech. In some ways they seem more authoritarian than even China and Russia. It’s like “free world” is becoming a farce.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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You realize that every social media/forum/messaging app should be banned then and every CEO in jail. Bad actors will use anything they can.

No because those platforms make the values token effort to curb illegal activity via moderation be it user performed or done by their own employees. Telegram does not do this. Anywhere at all. It's very different.

I know chat rooms that have been nuked for Pornography etc. I reported some chats where I've seen inappropriate content and I received notifications that they were deleted. A lot of users are muted/banned too for illegal activities. It isn't exactly unmoderated, but the staff can't exactly search every single server under the sun for illegal material or activities. You probably don't know how bad Matrix is, out of 200k servers, 70k were banned for CSAM and there are still a lot of them around.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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the EU is becoming a parody >we've got to save democracy by restricting free speech and enforcing laws and regulations created by unelected officials

Ever since von der Leyen became president. Typical for her since she also tried the same shit in Germany.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Just think: all the companies that do illegal shit and get slaps on the wrist with a few thousand/million dollar fines. That's the only "consequence" for the executives that blew up the economy in 2008, the politicians that are in cahoots with company executives to funnel money into their pockets, the companies that spy on their own employees without due diligence or cause, the producers of products that knowingly ca…

We can be honest and the government realizes that it's not just talking. At least for the conversations they are concerned about. *EDIT* I dont agree with it, but Ive seen governments do far worse with far less.

Telegram is not a police and not a court though; it doesn't need to search and identify illegal content. And how can you call something illegal without court's decision?
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