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CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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Here's a pro tip to CEOs and wannabe CEOs; get a fucking executive coach and work on not being a bubble-dwelling turd.

I swear to god American business has its head up its own ass, from the VPs to the ELT, and it's the easiest thing in the world to have some goddamn self awareness and empathy.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

#112

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> Executives work insane hours. Often quite a bit less than it looks on-paper when you remove the "working lunch" and "client dinner" and "meeting (at the country club)" and "reading emails while lounging on the private jet" bits.

The amount of executives that play golf and include golf as working meetings blows this argument out of the sand trap.

The amount of golf that are work meeting blows this argument out of the sand trap.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

#113

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> Executives work insane hours. Often quite a bit less than it looks on-paper when you remove the "working lunch" and "client dinner" and "meeting (at the country club)" and "reading emails while lounging on the private jet" bits.

Hypothetically, if all the CEO did was, once a quarter, take a private jet to meet a potential client in person for lunch - and just one of those 4 meetings actually landed a customer - but a $1 billion revenue customer - is that a problem for you? CEOs shouldn't be measured by hours clocked in, like a factory worker.

You're absolutely right. CEOs (and other execs) need measurable workload, just like the rest of their staff. If you're not measuring it, is the CEO landing deals, or are they just playing golf with other members of the managerial class? The inquiring mind wants to know.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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We just send out an email when the boss is in town and ask folks to come in, and enough people do to make the office seem full - and that works, we will even fly people in sometimes.

It’s a shame you can’t hire extras for the day to make the office lively. Edit: Maybe you can? Check with someone who does local casting?

Best startup idea of the week. Unfamiliar buts in seats. UBIS! the guilt of not knowing anyone

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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Not only are directors and above immune to the RTO directives in most companies, they are also immune to location specific pay ranges in most companies. And for the few times they do require to go to the office, they can expense the entire trip, including airfare, dinners, hotels and more. The class asymmetry is ridiculous, but unfortunately most workers don’t know this fact. Edit: In case it wasn’t clear, this is no…

Everybody knows. We all have the same Internet as you

You’d be surprised how many people don’t, despite having the same Internet as me.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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Everyone on this site is so anti-C-suite it's crazy. All the standard "big company CEO bad, me entry level employee good" talking points. You would think that a site based on entrepreneurship would have people on it that have more of an understanding of what running a business is actually like.

It's difficult to explain to people how much it sucks to be on call 24/7 forever. Yeah, I've done less than two hours of work, but that doesn't mean I had 22 hours of free time.

Are you serious?

Doctors are often on call 24/7 and do significantly more work than the average C-suite, yet you're complaining about a two hour work day?

The lack of self awareness is astounding.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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Not only are directors and above immune to the RTO directives in most companies, they are also immune to location specific pay ranges in most companies. And for the few times they do require to go to the office, they can expense the entire trip, including airfare, dinners, hotels and more. The class asymmetry is ridiculous, but unfortunately most workers don’t know this fact. Edit: In case it wasn’t clear, this is no…

While I agree that it can be annoying to see C-levels jetting around the globe while you're sitting in front of the same computer every day, likely feeling underpaid - what is the "asymmetry"? Or the remedy? Do you think that if they tighten their budget of perks, or reduce their compensation, some of that money will somehow flow to you? Because no, it won't.

Mostly I feel sorry for people whose lives are so empty that they feel the need to fly across the world to have a conversation about work. Stay home! Zoom works great and you can go for a walk with your spouse after you log off instead of drinking alone in a hotel bar.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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> Sometimes that translates to aloofness for staff, but what more often happens is that when the CEO _does_ come in they expect other people to be there. Anecdotally, I have seen companies that have "oscillations" in their WFH policy and this, in my experience, has often been the driver of it. Instead of putting trust in the process or the data, you will simply have a situation where the CEO or (especially) where a g…

> a group of the top level execs are all in the office on a particular day when the office 'feels empty' > internal deadline being missed What indicators would justify a change in WFH policy?

No worthwhile indicators, other than the gut feelings of the decision makers in that moment.

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

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It’s a shame you can’t hire extras for the day to make the office lively. Edit: Maybe you can? Check with someone who does local casting?

> Edit: Maybe you can? Check with someone who does local casting? And start an office pool on whether or not the boss even notices that they’re not real employees.

Give them good plot lines like: i dont think ive seen you here before? Do you normally work remote?

Re: CEOs are running companies from afar even as workers return to office

#120

I think it's more important for CEOs to be located in the same city as the company HQ than it is for any randomly selected employee to be. When VIPs visit the company, they expect the CEO to be present, not on Zoom. Plus, there used to be this thing where leadership had a more than tenuous connection to the legacy and culture of the businesses they ran, and even to the cities their companies were a part of. That's ha…

A company I once worked for hired a new CEO who lived literally on the other side of the country. He didn't want to move, so they moved the whole company with a couple hundred employees to a new office near his house.

How did it go?
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