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Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by aantix »

SR2Z wrote: post #95
aantix wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not remotely comparable problem sets. Tesla's generalized driving algorithm vs Waymo's cherry-picked routes and ideal weather. Tesla is winning. And the gap is getting wider.

Waymo does not have cherry picked routes - it has a defined ODD inside which is ANY route can be driven fully unsupervised. This necessarily involves some kind of generalized driving algorithm but more usefully, it gives you a clear goal and distribution to measure against.

The defined ODD is essentially cherry-picking the routes.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by thelastparadise »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #110
jacobjjacob wrote: post #73

I don’t understand how Tesla is continuing to ride so high on a borderline-vaporware robotaxi when Waymo is so far ahead.

Hmm, buddy with a new Model Y in the Midwest has driven less than 5 miles while putting in over 1500 miles. Waymo doesn’t exist here.

Are you saying the robot drive him 1495mi?

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by mensetmanusman »

thelastparadise wrote: post #112
mensetmanusman wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, buddy with a new Model Y in the Midwest has driven less than 5 miles while putting in over 1500 miles. Waymo doesn’t exist here.

Are you saying the robot drive him 1495mi?

Used fsd 12.4/5 or whatever for that mileage yes.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by filoleg »

fnfjfk wrote: post #100
ergocoder wrote: post #94

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Mark Pincus (Zynga founder) tweeted that he wanted an option not to talk to drivers. He got a huge shit storm for not wanting to talk to poor people. Definitely don't advertise that you don't want to talk to drivers. Progressive politics is weird.

maybe this is different in SF, but NYC taxi/uber drivers never say anything besides confirming you are the actual person and the destination, and maybe asking where you want to be dropped off

I know it is anecdotal, but I am just glad you didn’t get to experience the Uber ride I took from JFK to Dumbo earlier this year. It was around 1.5 hours of the driver trying to talk to me about Putin actually being a 5D chess mastermind and other conspiracy tier garbage after finding out that I was russian. Yeah, thanks, I will take Waymo to avoid listening to that or deal with the awkwardness of having to ask the driver to stop talking (which I didn’t do because it felt rude).

And while I agree that drivers here seem to be less inclined to talk than on west coast, I still occasionally get drivers who facetime the entire ride on the loudspeaker or watch videos on their phone mounted on the dashboard (while barely paying attention to the road).

Not even mentioning some of the stories my friends who are women told me about their uber/lyft experiences.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by yieldcrv »

filoleg wrote: post #114
fnfjfk wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe this is different in SF, but NYC taxi/uber drivers never say anything besides confirming you are the actual person and the destination, and maybe asking where you want to be dropped off

I know it is anecdotal, but I am just glad you didn’t get to experience the Uber ride I took from JFK to Dumbo earlier this year. It was around 1.5 hours of the driver trying to talk to me about Putin actually being a 5D chess mastermind and other conspiracy tier garbage after finding out that I was russian. Yeah, thanks, I will take Waymo to avoid listening to that or deal with the awkwardness of having to ask the d…

That reminds me of when I used to travel alot and conspiratards would tell me about the shadow groups that ran the world, but it would always be local ones

That was hilarious. Instead of Rothschilds, or Blackrock, its a French fraternal order in Paris.

those kind of people never notice the flaws in their theory, such as there being so many shadow groups that they would have to compete for power, the same as if no shadow group existed

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by standardUser »

Sad90sNerd wrote: post #19

I don't understand why people are so eager to give up autonomy. I doubt the software is certified in any meaningful way (see DO-178B), the algorithms are unknown, and the NHTSA sits on its hands whenever these vehicles have accidents. Here is a litmus test: would you allow Waymo to drive schoolbuses with your children? I know I certainly will never allow my family or myself to get into a metal box going 80 mph withou…

> would you allow Waymo to drive schoolbuses with your children? I

Yes, obviously. Humans are provably more dangerous.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by Moon_Y »

Waymo's continuous advancement and expansion in the field of autonomous driving technology. The plan to test fully autonomous vehicles without human safety drivers on freeways in the San Francisco Bay Area is a significant milestone. By having employees as the first testers, Waymo demonstrates confidence in its system.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by filoleg »

yieldcrv wrote: post #115
filoleg wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it is anecdotal, but I am just glad you didn’t get to experience the Uber ride I took from JFK to Dumbo earlier this year. It was around 1.5 hours of the driver trying to talk to me about Putin actually being a 5D chess mastermind and other conspiracy tier garbage after finding out that I was russian. Yeah, thanks, I will take Waymo to avoid listening to that or deal with the awkwardness of having to ask the d…

That reminds me of when I used to travel alot and conspiratards would tell me about the shadow groups that ran the world, but it would always be local ones That was hilarious. Instead of Rothschilds, or Blackrock, its a French fraternal order in Paris. those kind of people never notice the flaws in their theory, such as there being so many shadow groups that they would have to compete for power, the same as if no sha…

> those kind of people never notice the flaws in their theory, such as there being so many shadow groups that they would have to compete for power, the same as if no shadow group existed

There is a simple explanation for this within their canon, similar to how it works with religions - my conspiracy theory is the real one, the others are all wrong and/or planted by the baddies of my conspiracy theory.

There are sometimes fun crossover episodes between different conspiracy theories. But as soon as some incongruency between them forms a flaw in logic that you pointed out, it instantly goes to “yup, they are wrong, and my conspiracy is the right one.”

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by SkyPuncher »

nojvek wrote: post #71
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #59

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Comma has given up on self-driving cars and they're downplaying it now.

Comma is phenomenal at highway driving. Better than Tesla. They should keep on doing what they're doing. Make ~$1000 gadget that makes driving less of a chore. Doubtful they'll get to driverless in next 10 years. There can be many players in the market at different offerings and price points. Comma is a sweet spot where they are handsomely profitable, don't need to raise another round and get incrementally better. Wa…

I was deeply unimpressed with Tesla’s highway driving when I test drove one. I found both Ford and Hyundai/Kia to be at or above the level of the Tesla.

Frankly, I didn’t see any benefit of Tesla over most of the lane centering and adaptive cruise solutions in the market. It felt so unpredictable that I preferred to simply drive by hand.

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