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NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Post by Majromax »

zugi wrote: post #56
whatshisface wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just read a little farther, here are some comments on technical issues: > “According to NASA officials, the welding issues arose due to Boeing’s inexperienced technicians and inadequate work order planning and supervision,” the OIG says. “The lack of a trained and qualified workforce increases the risk that Boeing will continue to manufacture parts and components that do not adhere to NASA requirements and industry s…

Fair enough and thanks for pointing that out. Even that focuses on "adhere to NASA requirements" rather than "will it work". In between there's stuff like: > DCMA also found that Boeing personnel made numerous administrative errors through changes to certified work order data without proper documentation and > Some technicians reported they had to hunt through layers of documentation to identify required instructions…

It's the OIG, the government's auditors. They're not equipped to make engineering decisions, but they are experts at seeing whether that policies ostensibly written by engineers are being followed.

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Post by pharos92 »

And SpaceX are sitting there with all the capability, resource and a good chunk of the technology ready to go.

The legacy defence contractors have been watered with a hoover dams worth of taxpayer money for far too long and have little to show for it.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Post by genter »

mohaine wrote: post #57
emchammer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must have seen how beautiful the welds are on the Rocketdyne F-1 joints. Whoever made those put pride in their work.

A welding book I had mentioned that stick welding aluminum is no longer done because it is too hard and used the F-1 stick welds as an example of such welds. I think they we not so much welds as strategic strengthening.

I'm surprised they stick welded it. I know they oxy-acetylene welded aluminum aircraft in WW2, (which I've attempted, I found it impossible to do) and TIG welding has existed since the 50s.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Post by pharos92 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #23

Does anyone actually seriously believe the U.S. will land a person on the moon in 2025? This is the country that takes decades to open a new subway station.

Well we're over 1,000 days in to Kamala Harris' $42B universal broadband access program and not a single subscriber has been connected.

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Post by eddiewithzato »

sgnelson wrote: post #100
mananaysiempre wrote: post #10

> During a visit to Michoud in 2023, for example, inspectors discovered that welding on a component of the SLS Core Stage 3 did not meet NASA standards. Per the report, unsatisfactory welding performed on a set of fuel tanks led directly to a seven-month delay in EUS completion. > “According to NASA officials, the welding issues arose due to Boeing’s inexperienced technicians and inadequate work order planning and su…

If you read the OIG report, it states: "Michoud officials stated that it has been difficult to attract and retain a contractor workforce with aerospace manufacturing experience in part due to Michoud’s geographical location in New Orleans, Louisiana, and lower employee compensation relative to other aerospace competitors."

aka they aren’t willing to pay, many such cases.

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Post by andrewflnr »

ethbr1 wrote: post #108
BobbyJo wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Who's to say Bob knows what he's talking about?

There's a great scene at the end of Generation Kill where the war reporter asks the commander why he didn't reprimand one of the worst leaders underneath him more harshly. The commander essentially says that he constantly receives conflicting reports about his leaders' performance, and if he relieved one for unproven reports, his command would disintegrate. Because the good leaders have equal numbers of bad reports a…

This is why the real answer is that the manager needs to know how to weld too, so they can independently validate Bob's and Steve's work.

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Post by typeofhuman »

dandellion wrote: post #49
emchammer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must have seen how beautiful the welds are on the Rocketdyne F-1 joints. Whoever made those put pride in their work.

If anyone else is curious this article has close-up photos of the joints: https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/how-nasa-brought-the...

MVP, thank you.
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