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Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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An AQI of 250 plus is equivalent to 7 cigarettes a day: https://woods.stanford.edu/news/health-impacts-wildfire-smok... .

It depends how much time you spend outside? I’m just thinking back to my days in Beijing when 250 PPI was not a bad day.

The parent commenter was referring to camping, therefore all day.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Driving cars and riding in cars tend to have large benefits whereas alcohol does not.

Source?

Do you want a source for my assertion that there are benefits to getting from where you are to where you want to be using cars?

"Randomized placebo-controlled study of the benefits of personal mobility", Stravro and Chunk, 1999.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Driving cars and riding in cars tend to have large benefits whereas alcohol does not.

Alcohol can have large benefits for helping people to bond and socialize. The article itself pointed this out. Of course people can socialize without alcohol. But I think it's plausible to argue that alcohol in moderation can improve and deepen the experience.

OK good point, but MDMA is much better for that according to many comment here on HN over the years.

Also if I go drinking with someone I don't know well, the risk of their becoming violent is quite high.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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post #24

At the army, I remember a doctor insisting on a very precise answer to the question if I was drinking alcohol "never" or "rarely". for coffee it's probably very similar we say "the dose makes the poison" but it doesn't change that regularly drinking a low dose of poison is not good.

Water at high doses is poison.

I'm reasonably sure that regular drinking of water at non-toxic doses is good though.

So it really does depend.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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There are also non-narcotic anxiolytics that don't lower your inhibitions. That was the ultimate solution I found for myself.

Propranolol, I assume? Much safer than alcohol and very good at reducing social anxiety/stage fright in my experience.

I was actually thinking of buspar although [Edit: redacted confusion between metoprolol and propranolol].

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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I'm amazed that this is still an ongoing discussion. All of these "studies" have been distracting with muddied data from a very simple, unambiguous scientific fact: alcohol is a poison. By its immediate biological effects, it literally is a poison. And you shouldn't drink poison. Decades of studies rationalizing that "actually, people who drink two glasses of wine a day live longer" and their ilk, have only ever dist…

I figured this was a religious thing. I have spoke to a lot of Christians who were big on health and abstained from all kinds of things, but insisted that alcohol was healthy in small amounts, specifically a bit of red wine every other day or something. Took me longer than it should have to realise this was due to not wanting to acknowledge thst something cultural or promoted by Jesus/the church could be objectively bad.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Alcohol can have large benefits for helping people to bond and socialize. The article itself pointed this out. Of course people can socialize without alcohol. But I think it's plausible to argue that alcohol in moderation can improve and deepen the experience.

OK good point, but MDMA is much better for that according to many comment here on HN over the years. Also if I go drinking with someone I don't know well, the risk of their becoming violent is quite high.

Many drugs promote socialization. To the point that you have to question the distinction between drugs and food/drink. Take sugar. It's often the focus of social gatherings. But the bad effects of sugar arguably outweigh those of alcohol, given the epidemics of diabetes and obesity.

Alcohol happens to have 10,000 years of cultural tradition behind it. Plus, it pairs well with food.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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In your experience, is the alcohol required to enjoy the night out? I've personally had nights out with and without alcohol that were just as much fun. I'm also very much a homebody though, so I'm not a great sample to really say either way.

It’s not required, but so much of socializing and the existence of various “third places” hinges on alcohol that the choice is “do something social centered on drinking” or “do nothing”. You can’t expect people to single handedly overturn the social systems that have intertwined alcohol and socialization (especially for men)

I think we are in a phase of overturning even more ingrained social systems, so not drinking a certain thing isn't a huge deal, especially with a growing Muslim population in the west, the growing interest in health and fitness culture, and in my country, the absolute state of the city on a weekend.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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In the 90s I remember the '1 or 2 glasses of wine a day is good for you' message was common knowledge but now appears to be propoganda. I always that it was strange at the time and nowadays that myth has been thoroughly debunked. I am no longer a partaker but I wonder what is unique about alcohol that triggers people to come out of the woodwork with whataboutism and messenger attacks to defend its' usage? In this thr…

People - and animals - just want to get fucked up. You can see this when animals get into fermented fruit. So there's been plenty of time for alcohol to get very entrenched in human culture.

Do as yet unfucked animals exist in some kind of sober ennui not knowing what it is they yearn for?
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