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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by drexlspivey »

freefaler wrote: post #70
jigneshdarji91 wrote: post #22

I've been using Perplexity for the past 3 months on a regular basis and it has replaced DDG for most use cases. It's really nice to have answers directly. Product comparison/updates/features: > What's the difference in speedo latex cap vs elastomeric? > What's new in iOS 18 Beta 4? Documentation (esp for non-mainstream tools): > How do i find the sioyek db files? How do I move it to my local iCloud folder instead? I'…

Perplexity is great, but they might have their rug pulled underneath them. They use google and other search providers to run the query over the results and may be they still can find a good provider. However it's either Google or Bing and they both have their own competing products. However, openAI might not execute this better and then Perplexity might have a chance... (I hope so).

> They use google and other search providers to run the query over the results and may be they still can find a good provider.

No they don’t? AFAIK they have their own crawler and semantic search index.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by mrtksn »

blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

>People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites

For a long time now, that reason was to show ads and the content quality was very, very low. It destroyed journalism, it destroyed everything pretty much. Some of the blame is on Google but a lot of the blame is on the people with websites IMHO.

People with websites can go back to the good old days when they made websites to show off their talents, persuade people into activism, spread ideas and seek interaction with likeminded humans.

LLMs have the problem of hallucinations but when that's solved I wouldn't be looking back. Hopefully, Google itself would be disrupted.

Maybe we can finally have a business model for high quality data, like journalists selling their work on current events without the need to present it in the most bombastic way possible?

I think the world currently is in strong need of a way to process large amounts of data streaming in and make sense of it. AI can be very useful of that. I would love to have access to an LLM that can keep up with the current events so I don't have to endure all the nazi stuff on Twitter.

I don't want censorship it's just that I would be perfectly happy to know that there are bunch of people thinking that Biden was replaced and that there are some other people thinking that Michelle Obama is actually a man without have to read it like 100 times a day when I'm trying to look at the opinions of the people on something. It's cool to know that there are such people(or bots?) out there but I don't want to read their stuff, I want to the computer to on top of all that and give me a brief on, then I can drill down if I want to know more or see the exact content.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

wseqyrku wrote: post #61
blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

If that's the case, I think it's fair to say that we can skip websites and just host a service that chatgpt can talk to. If you're a restaurant, user can actually order right from the chat. or voice.

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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by blowski »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #95
blowski wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want ChatGPT to say nice things about you (or bad things about your competitors), then you'll need to give it your version of information - at least that will be the line peddled to us. I've already received emails from SEO snake oil sellers now advertising themselves as being able to influence ChatGPT output.

Pedalled or peddled? :)

Fixed

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by minimaxir »

patchorang wrote: post #75
minimaxir wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears from the demo example, OpenAI is not winning in the accuracy department either: https://x.com/kifleswing/status/1816542216678179083 > In ChatGPT's recent search engine announcement, they ask for "music festivals in Boone North Carolina in august" > There are five results in the example image in the ChatGPT blog post : > 1: Festival in Boone ... that ends July 27 ... ChatGPT's dates are when the box office…

Not saying the SearchGPT will or will not be accurate, but this demo was certainly made in After Effects. Who knows where the copy came from.

Even though placeholder copy is common in promos, a search engine demo is the one case where you need completely accurate copy.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by wilg »

marcosdumay wrote: post #24
blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

If it doesn't send you to the sites, what's the difference from just using ChatGPT? My impression from the demo is it has a perplexity-like result, with the answer and references to where each part comes from.

Search is a familiar interface and chat is a bit janky sometimes.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by Dalewyn »

woopsn wrote: post #81

> Getting answers on the web can take a lot of effort, often requiring multiple attempts to get relevant results. Don't get me wrong, search has become extremely problematic, ... but how much effort does it take really? Compared to writing a letter, reading a map, walking half a mile etc? The google results for "music festivals in boone north carolina august" are completely adequate. If not then you search again, sur…

>how much effort does it take really?

Depending on the query, substantial effort.

I know I've taken to just asking Bing (read: ChatGPT) if I just want something answered (FSVO answered) because sometimes I just don't feel like speaking Search Engine across multiple attempts to try and find something.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by sharkjacobs »

The problem with Rabbit R1 and Humane is that we're still a massive gulf away from a competent human personal assistant who I can rely on to understand what I'm saying and use common sense and reasoning to respond and perform tasks reliably.

This feels like the same thing. If I ask my assistant about "music festivals in Boone North Carolina in august" and they give me 5 results, 0 of which actually match what I asked for I'm throwing my hands up and never asking them for help again.

I use LLMs all the time, regularly throughout every single day, at work and home, and sometimes I really struggle to articulate what they're good at, but this doesn't feel like it. LLMs are really good at talking, so they're easy for casual users to interact with, and we keep seeing products which try to use them to "take away the friction" of various tasks, but I don't think that's it. I think they're at their best when used deliberately and critically.

I think that GPTs were a good product, but not a popular one because most people haven't thought of a need which GPTs would fill. Search is a problem that everyone knows is a need and since "google sux" now its one that is ripe to be filled by a competitor. But I don't see how this is a real improvement, the problem with search is that the results are worse, not that they need to be summarized in a more friendly and accessible voice.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by shmatt »

I will give OpenAI credit for having a capable product team that builds on top of the existing models.

As much as I love Anthropic (the only AI company I pay), they seem to be investing almost nothing in pure product orgs. No way to manage chats, memory usage is very high on the web ui (700mb claude vs. 100mb chatgpt on my mac), artifacts can be very hit or miss. They've been hiring the brightest ML people, time to build some strong product orgs (I nominate myself, DM me anthropic people)

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