I don’t understand how this isn’t anti-competitive behavior. It seems like reddit has to offer this deal with similar terms to google’s competitors.
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#112It's funny in the context of Google's past motto of "don't be evil". I feel the right thing for Google here would have been to decline any deal regarding exclusivity, then Reddit wouldn't have pulled the trigger with its robots.txt update. The entire manoeuvre required both parties.
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#113It's ironic, because Reddit is the only search engine that works on Google now thanks to shittening.
They're both running on fumes at this point.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you in theory, but in practice someone has to pay for all this magic.
This is a false dichotomy. You can have services, and not have them devolve into complete unusability in the name of profit. This isn’t sustainable either. The myopic pursuit of short term gains at the expense of the product will collapse at some point in the future, no matter how much you believe in this weird frog-boil internet we’ve inherited now.
> The myopic pursuit of short term gains at the expense of the product will collapse at some point in the future,
The myopic pursuit of short-term gains is the only playbook that works. Long-term business strategy is a gamble, and today's businesses have all learned that they'd rather make hay when the sun is shining than be remembered as a good business.
Twitter tried a long-term playbook to reverse their unprofitable sinkhole of a website. That ended up with them being undervalued and sold to the highest bidder.
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#115Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal
#116# Welcome to Reddit's robots.txt # Reddit believes in an open internet, but not the misuse of public content. # See https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/26410290525844-Public-Content-Policy Reddit's Public Content Policy for access and use restrictions to Reddit content. # See https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit4researchers/ for details on how Reddit continues to support research and non-commercial use. # pol…
> # Reddit believes in an open internet, but not the misuse of public content.
Calling it "public" content in the very act of exercising their ownership over it. The balls on whoever wrote that.
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#117Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.
The strange thing to me is how everybody keeps trying to make distributed Twitter happen when distributed Reddit is the low hanging fruit for federated social media. You don't want to end up banned from a movies forum because you also participate in a political forum. Federation solves that problem because you can use separate accounts without either forum knowing that you also use the other.
Is this not just what the internet was before reddit? What features would "distributed reddit" have that an internet full of independent community forums be missing?
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There is Lemmy for example, very similar to old Reddit. The big problem is the missing content outside of mainstream communities.
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No, because people don't come to Lemmy to read AI-generated posts. It's called social media, not robot time with language models.
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clearly some deal was reach between the two parties or we wouldn't be here. whether or not the deal is exclusive OR companies have to pay to index reddit it's still bad for competition. money has a barrier to entry preventing newcomers. I can blame reddit for creating the deal and I can blame google for accepting the deal if the effect is bing, ddg and others cannot display reddit results without reaching some deal.
I'm not saying it's not bad for competition. I'm saying the blame is 100% with Reddit. Blaming Google for accepting it makes no sense. That's like if a shopper goes to grocery store and buys an expensive $20 piece of cheese, and other shoppers can't afford cheese that pricey, and you're blaming that one shopper for buying it because it means other shoppers can't also get the cheese without paying for it. That doesn't…
bing probably has the money to reach a deal, smaller companies without monopolies is less likely, and that's the problem.
i don't think google is blameless like you propose.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you in theory, but in practice someone has to pay for all this magic.
This is a false dichotomy. You can have services, and not have them devolve into complete unusability in the name of profit. This isn’t sustainable either. The myopic pursuit of short term gains at the expense of the product will collapse at some point in the future, no matter how much you believe in this weird frog-boil internet we’ve inherited now.
Complete unusability is when ai tools clone the content and people stop visiting the original service and participating. I'll leave it up to them to defend blocking duck duck go for example, but blocking "AI" bots for an online community is a matter of survival at this point.