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Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

galkk wrote: post #109
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! What kind of data are you generating that 2TB ‘just isn’t very much’? (Video editing?) All my personal files take up around 10GB in my Google Drive.

Google takeout of my personal pictures from Google photos takes 600gb+ alone. And I'm not avid picture taker (that's the archive since 2000s, I did upload a lot of my old dslr photos to google photos when it was unlimited). I guess if people make more personal videos, they will use more space easily

I think we probably have different definitions of ‘not an avid picture taker’ :D

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Post by bongodongobob »

rullopat wrote: post #96

Ignorant person question here: “why they make NAS servers without ECC memory?”

Because they barely do anything. It's like like there's 4TB of RAM in there churning away at multiple databases. It's debatable if you even need it in enterprise servers.

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Post by dudus »

rovr138 wrote: post #99
test6554 wrote: post #85

Everyone is an expert at storage as long as everything is working great. It's when stuff fails that you feel like an idiot and wished you had one extra hdd in your RAID array or a secondary NAS you were backing up to or one extra site you offloaded your data to. I don't do cheap any more. But I can see the appeal.

These are all strategies and the price point of the unit doesn’t affect it. Need extra drives, buy extra drives. Need extra NAS for backups?, buy an extra NAS. Need an offsite copy?, buy space and get an offsite NAS and drives for an offsite copy. Price point of the unit doesn’t change anything here.

Synology sure provides an expensive but complete package for home office and enthusiasts.

Just buy it and be done with it. It's certainly more expensive than DIY it yourself using off the shelf components and things bought out of online classifieds. But for most people that have no interest in tinkering or don't know what to do, just paying the price of a complete solution might be worth it.

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

mschuster91 wrote: post #104

> 100Mb may seem like a joke nowadays, but the main purpose of such a toy NAS for me is to keep a copy of a directory with ~200K small files. Having 1Gb would only marginally improve the syncing speed even if the SBC supported USB 3.0. He's wrong here. The most important thing with small files is latency, and a 1000M network will have significantly less latency than a 100M network. Anyone running TimeMachine over net…

So I am a network dummy, but why would 100M vs 1000M have a difference in latency unless the pipe was saturated?

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Post by russdill »

test6554 wrote: post #85

Everyone is an expert at storage as long as everything is working great. It's when stuff fails that you feel like an idiot and wished you had one extra hdd in your RAID array or a secondary NAS you were backing up to or one extra site you offloaded your data to. I don't do cheap any more. But I can see the appeal.

Kids today have no idea just how often drives failed back in the day.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Post by toast0 »

jnovek wrote: post #16
Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #3

Note that it doesn't look like it has ECC, so make sure to have backups. Fancy file systems like ZFS don't remove the need for ECC.

> so make sure to have backups Can you (or someone) suggest a backup scheme? I have a 28TB NAS. Almost everything I've looked into is expensive or intended more for enterprise tier. Are there options for backup in the "hobbyist" price range?

You pretty much need a second, similar system, hopefully not physically nearby. Tape doesn't scale down to home use, and optical is too small.

My home NAS has several roles, so I don't have to backup the full capacity. The family shared drive definitely needs to be backed up. The windows desktop backups probably don't, although if I had a better plan for offsite backups, I would probably include desktop backups in that. TV recordings and ripped optical discs don't need to be backed up for me, I could re-rip them and they're typically commercially available if I had a total loss; not worth the expense to host a copy of that offsite, too; IMHO.

You might do something like mirrored disks on the NAS and single copy on the backup as a cost saver, but that comes with risks too.

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Post by brnt »

test6554 wrote: post #85

Everyone is an expert at storage as long as everything is working great. It's when stuff fails that you feel like an idiot and wished you had one extra hdd in your RAID array or a secondary NAS you were backing up to or one extra site you offloaded your data to. I don't do cheap any more. But I can see the appeal.

I sync a few single external drives every week or two over good old USB. In house sneaker net. Tools like Freefilesync make this easy and fast (and give me a manual check so accidental deletes are visible too).

Very cheap, has served me for more than a decade now. Highly recommended. I dealt with dataloss through drive failing, user error and unintentional software bugs/errors. No problem.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Post by szundi »

test6554 wrote: post #85

Everyone is an expert at storage as long as everything is working great. It's when stuff fails that you feel like an idiot and wished you had one extra hdd in your RAID array or a secondary NAS you were backing up to or one extra site you offloaded your data to. I don't do cheap any more. But I can see the appeal.

Do 2x cheap then, you need backup anyway.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Post by ndiddy »

mmh0000 wrote: post #88
transpute wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which laptops support ECC?

If you just want to buy something that'll "just work", The Lenovo P16[1], is ECC capable from the factory. Basically anything AMD "should" support ECC, it may need to be turned on in the bios. The problem with "should" is the trail-and-error you'll have to do to find a working combination, though, I personally I've never had many issues getting ECC working. [1] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad…

Note that AMD APUs prior to the 5000 series only supported ECC on the "PRO" models. For example, the Ryzen 3 PRO 3200G supports ECC, but the Ryzen 3 3200G doesn't.

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Post by yair99dd »

jnovek wrote: post #16
Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #3

Note that it doesn't look like it has ECC, so make sure to have backups. Fancy file systems like ZFS don't remove the need for ECC.

> so make sure to have backups Can you (or someone) suggest a backup scheme? I have a 28TB NAS. Almost everything I've looked into is expensive or intended more for enterprise tier. Are there options for backup in the "hobbyist" price range?

Check Storj distributed storage. Fraction of aws Storage*

$0.004 Per GB/month

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