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Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by snaeker58 »

idiotsecant wrote: post #34
rvba wrote: post #16

> Xenon is unique among psychedelic drugs because it’s a pure element. It leaves the body exactly as it entered, completely unchanged. I very doubt it is true. The article poorly hand waves later that a brain without oxygen will starve. I bet shooting this crap for some short term high will burn your brain cells, even if mixed with oxygen.

A magnet will pass by a hard drive and emerge totally unchanged. It doesn't mean the hard drive was not changed

I wouldn’t use such analogies on wildly unrelated subjects.

Saying „The long term effects of Xenon on the human body and brain are still mostly undocumented when it comes to repeated recreational use.“ sounds so much better!

Especially since almost all common magnets don’t actually effect a hard drives functionality. The internet states you need a magnet with a force of 0,5kg to actually cause data loss. So we’re talking a large neodymium magnet. Which makes this analogy even worse.

It’s honestly incredibly how much your analogy upsets me!

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by snaeker58 »

Dachande663 wrote: post #82
meindnoch wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummmm what?

Hameroff is one of those common pseudo-psy frauds. Dawkins hit the nail on the head when he said consciousness is hard to grasp and understand so everytime something in science comes along that is also hard to grasp, people latch on to it as an explanation. 70s it was chaos theory, then everyone switch to quantum entanglement, and already seeing it leak into AGI.

Yeah this type of madness is rampant when it comes to AGI believers, always makes me want to drive a nail in my hand.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by gpm »

perihelions wrote: post #105
abirch wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment reminded me of college when they taught us: you don't ride in an elevator with a nitrogen tank because it can displace the oxygen in seconds.

We broke major safety rules doing the opposite. Carrying various steel tanks up stairs that were way too heavy for two, under-gymed, college students, one step at a time, resting the tank on every step while half of it cantilevered over the edge, as we hand-stabilized it... I wanted to avoid thinking about that failure mode where you accidentally cleave some part of the gas regulator by damaging it, and that turns th…

Do you also put a sign on the tank saying "danger - do not enter elevator - risk of death" or something!?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by Workaccount2 »

abirch wrote: post #104
perihelions wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- "It’s best to say that from a safety perspective it probably won’t kill you straight away" It *will* kill you straight away–it's an asphyxiant gas, any mistake involving oxygen supply will kill you in a few minutes, or leave you incapacitated and brain-damaged for the rest of your life. It's somewhat more hazardous than most, because it's (substantially) heaver than air, and accumulates in lungs. (And you can be ce…

Your comment reminded me of college when they taught us: you don't ride in an elevator with a nitrogen tank because it can displace the oxygen in seconds.

Is because an elevator is a small confined space or is it because of some other unique property of an elevator?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by TylerE »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #96
alan-hn wrote: post #44

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Many people also consider ketamine a psychedelic and the primary mechanism of action is NMDA antagonism preferring the NR2B subunit

I’ve heard that Ketamine is a psychedelic deepener more than a psychedelic on its own. Ie, a little ket addition is similar to taking a much higher dose of psychedelics (but short duration): high definition mental imagery and expanded external visual effects. With a good set & setting, that combo nearly guarantees a mystical experience.

As someone who had it during surgery... it's 100% psychedelic at sufficient dose.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by lazide »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #114
abirch wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment reminded me of college when they taught us: you don't ride in an elevator with a nitrogen tank because it can displace the oxygen in seconds.

Is because an elevator is a small confined space or is it because of some other unique property of an elevator?

It is a small confined space that you have little control over your ability to escape or open up.

A stairwell you can run up, or out a door. An elevator can get stuck - or just take awhile - and there is nothing you can do about it.

Also an issue with liquid nitrogen, but that usually takes a little longer to sublimate.

Dry ice is one of the few grocery store substances (in many areas) with a similar issue, but at least co2 causes a suffocation reflex we can feel. So less dangerous.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by buildsjets »

javawizard wrote: post #61

> Argon [...] cost about $2 per liter each. Uh, what?? No it doesn't. I'm a hobbyist welder. When TIG welding you typically use 100% argon gas. I have a 60 cu ft cylinder hooked up to my welder right now; it costs $89 to refill at my local Airgas store. That's approximately 5.2 cents per liter. Here's a 40 cu ft tank of argon for sale on Amazon for $205: https://www.amazon.com/100-Argon-Welding-Tank-CGA/dp/B00I4Z6...…

They may have been referring to the price of Argon in it’s cryogenic liquid state. A 160L liquid cylinder will expand to 4426 cu ft at STP. Source: I used to design cryogenic liquid cylinders for MVE. Here’s a manual for typical cylinder.

https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/docs/equip/Manual_MVE...

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by lazide »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #80
janalsncm wrote: post #56

In college I used a lot of nitrous. I got small cartridges and a “cracker” with a balloon. It was pretty euphoric. I stopped after recording myself taking it. I was unconscious a lot longer than I remembered being, and even though I was probably never at risk of suffocating there were long periods where I didn’t see myself breathing. That was enough. I regret the effects it may have had on my brain. It’s impossible t…

Unconscious from the hypoxia? Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do?

You don’t know many drug users eh?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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ossobuco wrote: post #97
rabite wrote: post #95

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> Bandera and his nazis Bandera was fighting against the Nazis by the end of the war. At any given time, he was doing what was prudent for his country and getting resources to fight the Cheka, because the Soviets were disappearing Ukrainians in the middle of the night and sending them to gulags. Appreciating Ukrainian cultural traditions is not political. "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase,…

> "Slava Ukraini" should not be a political or offensive phrase, unless you are a genocidal maniac supporting Putin's mass murder. Ask the poles what do they think of it. Are they all "genocidal maniacs supporting Putin's mass murder"? Bandera and his OUN carried out massacres and ethnic cleansing of a hundred thousand Poles, plus we don't know how many Jews. It was the slogan of the OUN so yes it is a highly offensi…

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