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Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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I bought a new car this weekend and some of the symptoms of this were: * dealer didn't have a good handle on what was available in stock on the lot * anything related to a title for a tradein was massively hampered. * appears USAA's auto insurance online add/replace vehicle on your policy is broken * everything was literally hand written, down to the sales contract I would imagine the impact of this is in the tens of…

That has always been my experience at car dealerships regardless of the status of their computer system.

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

#112

I'm trying to buy two cars right now, and this has put a big wrench in the process. The dealership can't tell me what's on their lot compared to what's on their Website, except by going out and searching.

Sounds like the average dealership experience.

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Also, the vendor becomes insulated from customer demands. Why patch things or work your ass off, when none of your customers have an alternative? (especially if PE buys the business or CEOs get a stock price focus and gut engineering to keep-the-lights-on levels)

There's a quiet irony in car dealership networks being fucked like this. They spend so much money ensuring their government-mandated monopoly, only to fall victim to a different kind of monopoly.

> government-mandated monopoly

Could you expand on this, aren't U.S. car dealerships private businesses competing in a (mostly) unregulated market?

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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This is what happens when a single player (CDK Global) has massive market share (90% when measured by number of vehicles sold [0] --- EDIT: this is actually the combined market share of CDK + Reynolds, who have a non-compete agreement ---). The entire industry becomes fragile to product issues and/or malicious attacks. Anti-trust is important. [0] https://casetext.com/case/loop-llc-v-cdk-global-llc-in-re-de...

My entrepreneurial mind immediately thinks: Let's create a better solution to revolutionize this industry and make the old, expensive incumbents obsolete. We can drive to the affected car dealers and migrate them one by one. Of course, I'm not going to do it and it's probably extremely hard :)

I'd rather we remove laws that ban direct sales.

https://www.justice.gov/atr/economic-effects-state-bans-dire...

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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I'm trying to buy two cars right now, and this has put a big wrench in the process. The dealership can't tell me what's on their lot compared to what's on their Website, except by going out and searching.

Even when the system is working they have to go search the lot, because half the cars listed in the system are phantoms.

> half the cars listed in the system are phantoms

How? Like, they order a certain number of cars from the dealership--do they just trickle in randomly? Do they forget to log sales? I get misplacing where the car is, but whether it is?

Granted, I have friends who work at rental-car companies, and the level of shitshow they aspire to is truly inspiring.

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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post #52

One of the reports of this I heard was on Marketplace the other day... and the part that made me chuckle was on cursive. Pen and paper, but please no cursive: Widespread cyberattack sends car dealers back to 20th century - https://www.marketplace.org/2024/06/21/cdk-global-hack-softw... > Car dealers are a pretty big part of this economy, doing some $1.2 trillion in sales last year, according to the National Automobil…

I like how they blame "young people" for not being able read cursive instead of their own terrible hand writing.

Don't get my Boomer mother started on this topic. Apparently, "the country is going to shit" because cursive isn't being taught in schools anymore. LOL

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> No it can't. You still need places where cars can be repaired as well as storage for parts/cars inventory. The only way you reclaim some land is if service gets worse. You probably aren't going to have 10 Ford dealerships in town all selling the same models of cars. That's where the space savings comes in. As for parts/service, that also gets more streamlined as you aren't likely to have the audi/ford/dodge dealers…

> You probably aren't going to have 10 Ford dealerships in town all selling the same models of cars. That's where the space savings comes in. So do we want competition, or not?

What competition? We are talking about ford. It's not like these dealers are making ford vehicles or getting different prices from the manufacture.

The competition is that besides ford there's going to be a GM, stellates, and Audi lot (probably).

If we want more competition, we get it not by having dealers competing over who can screw you the most with the best hidden fee, we get it by adding more car manufacturers.

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Everyone I know IRL never gets their car serviced at the actual dealership, always going to a third party repair shop. Tesla has service issues, I'm not sure that they're related to their lack of dealerships though.

I go to the dealership. Half the time, the neighborhood guy sucks. I've almost never had luck with local guys.

Exactly. And you'll pay a premium, no doubt. But they have incentive to please you, as a current and future customer.

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Maybe offer to bring them more pens and paper so they can send someone out to make a list of what's on their lot.

This is mostly a site for programmers. I can’t imagine working in computers and not believing at least that the intent is to make people’s lives more convenient and make work efficient. If the dealers have the capacity to go around and run everything by pencil and paper, it seems like either the are really poorly run for the average case where the computers work and make life easier, or the programmers have done a re…

Let's assume you're only selling what's on the lot, and you're not running some complex network operation where you care about other dealerships' stock.

Googling tells me the average car salesman sells 8-10 cars per month. Maybe more for a 'high volume' dealership but certainly less than 1 car per day.

I would think the paperwork to sell a single car would take substantially less than 8 hours for an experienced worker to complete.

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Everyone I know IRL never gets their car serviced at the actual dealership, always going to a third party repair shop. Tesla has service issues, I'm not sure that they're related to their lack of dealerships though.

I go to the dealership. Half the time, the neighborhood guy sucks. I've almost never had luck with local guys.

Yea, I was always a "never get your car serviced at the stealership" snob, until I moved homes. Now I'm in a different city and I haven't found a trustable mechanic yet, so for things I can't repair myself, I'm going to bring it to the dealership.
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